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Old 04-18-2008, 08:49 PM  
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Karma, thy name is Hillary Clinton

Hillary gets busted smack-talking Democratic activists and moveon at a private fundraiser after they endorsed Obama. The irony in her accusing Barack of having gone behind closed doors to a private fundraiser and speaking about voters in a condescending manner.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celest...c_b_97484.html

The bigger story is probably that she only had kind words for them prior to the endorsement.

"You've been asking the tough questions," Clinton said in April of last year at a MoveOn-sponsored town hall event. "You've been refusing to back down when any of us who are in political leadership are not living up to the standards that we should set for ourselves... I think you have helped to change the face of American politics for the better... both online, and in the corridors of power."

This also probably slams the door shut on her chances of ever getting elected. You can't alienate a good chunk of your own party when more than half the country already hates you. MoveOn's made up of a lot of nuts who will take personal offense to this and wage a war.
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Old 04-18-2008, 08:53 PM   #2
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I don't see this as a negative for her. The Move.On folks are not going to be alienated by her words as they were not for her in any way to begin with. They feel she is too center, too beholden to the WH, too status quo.

If anything, I think Move.On's endorsement will hurt Obamessiah in the General Election. All the help he's getting from the endorsement has already transpired.

It might be embarrassing for her but it is geared towards a small group of highly partisan people who are not thought of very highly in the general public...

unlike Baaarack's bitter remarks.
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Old 04-18-2008, 09:05 PM   #3
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I don't see this as a negative for her. The Move.On folks are not going to be alienated by her words as they were not for her in any way to begin with. They feel she is too center, too beholden to the WH, too status quo.
She would need the party activists for the general, dumbass.

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If anything, I think Move.On's endorsement will hurt Obamessiah in the General Election. All the help he's getting from the endorsement has already transpired.
MoveOn's endorsement means nothing. Unless you insult them as Hillary did, they were going to back the Democratic candidate after the past 8 years anyway.

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unlike Baaarack's bitter remarks.
The way you've come to the defense of Hillary is priceless, particularly since you're a fringe-nut.

Hillary's comments had to do with voters who would be voting for her in the General and who she didn't have a problem with until they endorsed Obama. The people truly up-in-arms over Barack's comments are people who weren't gonna vote for him in November to begin with.
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Old 04-18-2008, 09:39 PM   #4
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:35 PM   #5
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I suppose this is not much different from the bootleg of Obama's remarks, but I don't like this idea of people surreptitiously recording what someone says in confidence and then springing it on them.

Obama and his campaign would be wise to minimize their comments on this. Especially since this appears to be a selectively edited audio to capture a couple sentences.

Huffington Post should not have broke the Obama story by playing a bootleg recording and I would rather not see them break another one against Clinton even if Clinton tried her damndest to make hay off of the last one.

Her campaign is just wasting everyone's time and money and hopefully she has alineated enough people to barely win PA and to lose Indiana and North Carolina and just bow out after that.

Once the candiates become the focus and not the talking heads squawking about nonsense, Obama will build for the general, and it will be good to see all of these dunderheads who predict that the candidate that has defeated the most formidable presumed nominee in primary history is somehow a weak candidate will get to be reminded who this once in a generation leader really is.

I can't believe that fools are trying to compare Obama with Kerry or Gore or Dukakis or Mondale or McGovern. We should have a rule that before any chiefsplanet idiot posts a comparison like that here, they must also post a video link to Obama's election night speeches especially Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Potomac, or Wisconsin night.

Obama will keep truth, intelligence and talent on his side. His enemies will have falsehoods, stupidity and incompetence going for them. The smart money, and the most money, is on Obama.
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It might be embarrassing for her but it is geared towards a small group of highly partisan people who are not thought of very highly in the general public...
Tell Al Gore what it means to lose the support of even a small portion of the base. With her dissing of energetic young voters, the MoveOn crowd and trying to drive a racist wedge through the party, she's all but lost any chance she could ever have had to win in a general election.

Her campaign will go down as the BushCo of Democratic Primary campaigns.

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Old 04-18-2008, 11:12 PM   #7
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Tell Al Gore what it means to lose the support of even a small portion of the base. With her dissing of energetic young voters, the MoveOn crowd and trying to drive a racist wedge through the party, she's all but lost any chance she could ever have had to win in a general election.

Her campaign will go down as the BushCo of Democratic Primary campaigns.

Worst. Ever.

She definitely started out with a strong brand and some big assets. She hired people that hate each other and can't work together and she never measured her opponent and his tactics and strategy until she lost 12 contests in a row.

She thought she could ride her strong brand to victory, but she has not really won any contest on anything other than her brand name before the contest started and lining up key supporters like RendellPa.), Strickland(Ohio), Villaraigosa(CA), and a few others.

If she wins Pa., it is because she had a favorable demographic profile and she had a popular governor working his azz off for her.

Rendell is fighting only for pride now, because it would be embarrassing for him to not deliver Pa. He will be a good soldier, but he is probably tired of Hillary's sh*t by now.
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I am not defending Clinton. I'm just pointing out that her losing favor with the Moveon folks is not the dire disaster that it would be if McCain was caught dissing Focus on the Family.

Move.on is not seen as a mainstream group and is considered fringe by most people both in and outside of the party. Thus, being seen dissing a fringe group by someone trying to appeal to the middle might not be a disaster at all. Might have even been planned...

it would not surprise me one bit.
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Hillary gets busted smack-talking Democratic activists and moveon at a private fundraiser after they endorsed Obama. The irony in her accusing Barack of having gone behind closed doors to a private fundraiser and speaking about voters in a condescending manner.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celest...c_b_97484.html

The bigger story is probably that she only had kind words for them prior to the endorsement.

"You've been asking the tough questions," Clinton said in April of last year at a MoveOn-sponsored town hall event. "You've been refusing to back down when any of us who are in political leadership are not living up to the standards that we should set for ourselves... I think you have helped to change the face of American politics for the better... both online, and in the corridors of power."

This also probably slams the door shut on her chances of ever getting elected. You can't alienate a good chunk of your own party when more than half the country already hates you. MoveOn's made up of a lot of nuts who will take personal offense to this and wage a war.
So you think Hussein is going to be able to survive the swiftboating evil dirty Republican smear machine when he can't even wrestle the party from Shillary Rotton Clitler?
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Old 04-19-2008, 10:47 AM   #10
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I am not defending Clinton. I'm just pointing out that her losing favor with the Moveon folks is not the dire disaster that it would be if McCain was caught dissing Focus on the Family.

Move.on is not seen as a mainstream group and is considered fringe by most people both in and outside of the party. Thus, being seen dissing a fringe group by someone trying to appeal to the middle might not be a disaster at all. Might have even been planned...

it would not surprise me one bit.
Don't be a whore. You acted like it was a big ****ing deal when you perceived Obama to have been speaking condescendingly to people who wouldn't be voting for him anyway. Somehow that is detrimental to Barack's electability chances, but Hillary insulting Democratic activists and MoveOn.org(who supply the Democratic candidate with their time, money, and votes) wouldn't harm her one bit.
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So you think Hussein is going to be able to survive the swiftboating evil dirty Republican smear machine when he can't even wrestle the party from Shillary Rotton Clitler?

The people are the ones that vote.

Rove and B*sh and have proven that many of the American people can be tricked. Look at how many people were fooled into believing that B*sh was afraid of Saddam so much that B*sh thought UN inspections would not nullify the threat of WMD that did not even exist.

I guess you were one of those stupid people, but you would have to admit now that you would have to be an even bigger fool now than you were then if you don't realize that B*sh was not truly afraid of Saddam being so powerful that he could attack the US even if the UN Security Council was willing to put and keep inspectors in Iraq to thoroughly search for any evidence of WMD.

When it is down to McCain and Obama, the voters are going to go with the one that gives them the most confidence about being able to fix the problems that we have.

You really ought to say more about this Republican attack machine. If you spell it out, you might have to admit that you believe that people who do not have the best interest of our country at heart are able to trick people like you into not believing in our country's ideals and voting for people who want only to make themselves and their friends rich at the expense of our economy and the people who volunteer in the military to serve our country.

You really have to admit that B*sh was not the man for the job, but that he only got the job because of this Republican attack machine. I suppose McCain might agree with you on that except for the fact that he is not the man that he once was.

You may be right, it may be this Republican attack machine that put a p*ssy on McCain and turned him into its pigeon. John McCain 2000 would have a better chance than John McCain 2008.
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So you think Hussein is going to be able to survive the swiftboating evil dirty Republican smear machine when he can't even wrestle the party from Shillary Rotton Clitler?
I spent about a half hour watching Fox News late last night, and it was amazing to me how anti-Obama and pro-Hillary they were. I wasn't sure whether they're still in "get Hillary the nomination, she'll be easier to beat in the GA" mode or "we think Obama's going to win the nod, so start the GA attack now". Either way, all this infighting is doing is keeping eyes off of McCain. The Republicans couldn't ask for more. The Democrats are pulling a GWB and turning a rolling tide of good will and an almost sure win in November into a potential loss. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.
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The people are the ones that vote.

Rove and B*sh and have proven that many of the American people can be tricked. Look at how many people were fooled into believing that B*sh was afraid of Saddam so much that B*sh thought UN inspections would not nullify the threat of WMD that did not even exist.

I guess you were one of those stupid people, but you would have to admit now that you would have to be an even bigger fool now than you were then if you don't realize that B*sh was not truly afraid of Saddam being so powerful that he could attack the US even if the UN Security Council was willing to put and keep inspectors in Iraq to thoroughly search for any evidence of WMD.

When it is down to McCain and Obama, the voters are going to go with the one that gives them the most confidence about being able to fix the problems that we have.

You really ought to say more about this Republican attack machine. If you spell it out, you might have to admit that you believe that people who do not have the best interest of our country at heart are able to trick people like you into not believing in our country's ideals and voting for people who want only to make themselves and their friends rich at the expense of our economy and the people who volunteer in the military to serve our country.

You really have to admit that B*sh was not the man for the job, but that he only got the job because of this Republican attack machine. I suppose McCain might agree with you on that except for the fact that he is not the man that he once was.

You may be right, it may be this Republican attack machine that put a p*ssy on McCain and turned him into its pigeon. John McCain 2000 would have a better chance than John McCain 2008.
I am stupid enough to be tricked into believing that Bush was a conservative, yeah, I'll admit that. I am not stoopid enough to beleeve that McCain is won though.

Go ahead and vote for Hussein, I hope it makes you feel better.
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I spent about a half hour watching Fox News late last night, and it was amazing to me how anti-Obama and pro-Hillary they were. I wasn't sure whether they're still in "get Hillary the nomination, she'll be easier to beat in the GA" mode or "we think Obama's going to win the nod, so start the GA attack now". Either way, all this infighting is doing is keeping eyes off of McCain. The Republicans couldn't ask for more. The Democrats are pulling a GWB and turning a rolling tide of good will and an almost sure win in November into a potential loss. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.
And I am the stupid one.

They can't even pick which affirmative action candidate they want to advocate the hardest.
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Don't be a whore. You acted like it was a big ****ing deal when you perceived Obama to have been speaking condescendingly to people who wouldn't be voting for him anyway. Somehow that is detrimental to Barack's electability chances, but Hillary insulting Democratic activists and MoveOn.org(who supply the Democratic candidate with their time, money, and votes) wouldn't harm her one bit.
Leave Meme alone, she deserves a female candidate to represent her interests.
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