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Old 04-19-2008, 02:48 PM  
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Do you trust management to rebuild?

Trading your best player doesn't make sense unless:

1). The team is hopelessly beyond any chance to compete for a Super Bowl.

2). Management is dedicated to a full rebuild.

3). Management team in place to orchestrate the rebuild is not the same responsible for #1.

Make sense?
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:48 PM   #2
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Old 04-19-2008, 02:51 PM   #3
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I actually think Herm isn't a bad guy to have in place for a rebuild. He seems to do solid drafting and isn't afraid to give young guys a chance. And I do think Carl gives his coaches a lot of say in the draft. You can see the trends with the different coaches.

That being said, IMO you don't rebuild a team completely from scratch. You have to know which youngs guys to sign for a second contract, and which FAs to get to fill holes, and that's where I question what the FO is capable of.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:24 PM   #4
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a team that is willing to trade a 26-year-old superstar has just lost any trust i ever had in them.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:25 PM   #5
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a team that is willing to trade a 26-year-old superstar has just lost any trust i ever had in them.
he will be 30 before we ever contend again
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:27 PM   #6
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:35 PM   #7
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:38 PM   #8
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In the first years of Carl's regime, he won the adoration of Chiefs fans by pulling the team out of the abyss, with the help of a good coach and a great young pass rusher. There is a woeful symmetry that he is now supporting a horrid coach and jettisoning a great young pass rusher.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:40 PM   #9
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he will be 30 before we ever contend again
again, why does that matter?

what are we, the 2004 royals?

a team will never get good if they trade their best players. it's that simple.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:46 PM   #10
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again, why does that matter?
he will be on the downside of his career @ 30...think Neil Smith at the end of his career
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:49 PM   #11
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he will be on the downside of his career @ 30...think Neil Smith at the end of his career
that's not my point.

my point is, if they keep letting players go because they are not willing to pay them, jared allen is going to be a hell of a lot older than 30 by the time the chiefs can contend again. he'll be more like 50, or 80, or dead.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:50 PM   #12
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Trading your best player doesn't make sense unless:

1). The team is hopelessly beyond any chance to compete for a Super Bowl.

2). Management is dedicated to a full rebuild.

3). Management team in place to orchestrate the rebuild is not the same responsible for #1.

Make sense?
#1 only makes sense when the best player is past their prime. #2 only makes sense when you're the Kansas City Royals and can't afford to keep your best players, and also only if your best player isn't young enough to be around when the rebuild is complete.

The debate of money and DUIs are both good reasons for Carl to trade him. Herm shouldn't have one good reason, and should be screaming to Carl to do everything possible to keep him.

No, I don't trust management to rebuild this team, but after far too many years of mediocrity, starting over is the only logical thing to do. I'd just rather it be with a head coach coaching the team and not a defensive coordinator.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:51 PM   #13
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If management can't possibly rebuild, then what possible difference can keeping or trading Jared Allen make? We're screwed either way.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:52 PM   #14
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that's not my point.

my point is, if they keep letting players go because they are not willing to pay them, jared allen is going to be a hell of a lot older than 30 by the time the chiefs can contend again. he'll be more like 50, or 80, or dead.
Then explain why the Patriots have built a dynasty despite routinely dumping elite players when they became too expensive.

It's just like the market - buy low and sell high. Allen is a great player right now but his value will never be higher, plus his contract demands are not worth the risk in him serving a long suspension.
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Old 04-19-2008, 03:52 PM   #15
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that's not my point.

my point is, if they keep letting players go because they are not willing to pay them, jared allen is going to be a hell of a lot older than 30 by the time the chiefs can contend again. he'll be more like 50, or 80, or dead.
that is my point though their best player isn't going to help them contend in the next 3-4 years and by them he won't be their best player anymore...so sell him while you can...get some good young guys in who can help this team win in 3-4 years and be in their prime
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