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Old 04-29-2008, 10:32 PM  
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I was just looking at the box score from tonights game. Nice win for the boys in blue and the offense finally broke out for 9 runs. Not to mention Guillen breaking out with 5 RBIs!

Anyway, I was looking at Soria's season stats.

11 IP, 3 hits, 0.00 ERA!, 6 saves, 13 SO, 1 BB and batters are hitting .083 against him. Un-freaking-real!

He might be the best pitcher in MLB right now.

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Old 04-29-2008, 10:33 PM   #2
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I was just looking at the box score from tonights game. Nice win for the boys in blue and the offense finally broke out for 9 runs. Not to mention Guillen breaking out with 5 RBIs!

Anyway, I was looking at Soria's season stats.

10 IP, 3 hits, 0.00 ERA!, 6 saves, 11 SO, 0 BB and batters are hitting .094 against him. Un-freaking-real!

He might be the best pitcher in MLB right now.
He was one hell of a Rule 5 pick up, that's for damn sure.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:35 PM   #3
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He was one hell of a Rule 5 pick up, that's for damn sure.
Did Dayton Moore get him or is he one of Allard Baird's acquisitions?
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:38 PM   #4
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I believe he was Dayton's. Last year was his rookie year and he had to stay on the roster as a rule 5 pickup.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:52 PM   #6
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I am beginning to believe Soria could actually be the best closer in baseball, or at least top-3. This is not hyperbole or blind homerism, he's got Rivera-in-his-prime stuff and gets a crazy-high number of strikeouts. Its still early to crown him as a bullpen God, but if he has 1 or 2 more full seasons like this, then it would be time to have a serious talk about whether we can sign him long-term when he uses up half his required service with the Royals.

Its just unreal that this kid just falls out of the sky into our laps like this.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:59 PM   #7
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That just show how big of a waste he is as a closer. Our best pitcher has only thrown 10 innings? That's crazy. He should start getting stretched out to multiple innings, with the long term goal of getting him in the rotation.
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Old 04-29-2008, 11:08 PM   #8
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That just show how big of a waste he is as a closer. Our best pitcher has only thrown 10 innings? That's crazy. He should start getting stretched out to multiple innings, with the long term goal of getting him in the rotation.
Right now we still have a faint unlikely hope at competing, so we still have to keep grabbing for the brass ring with what we know works. I'm fine with experimenting with him and/or Nunez later this year if we are hopelessly out of contention, unless our pitching coaches are just somehow absolutely certain that he doesnt have the stamina or pitching arsenal to make it as a starter. As great a closer as he is now, he'd be far more valuable as an ace, if he was capable of it. An elite (top-5) closer is about as valuable as a moderately above-average starter. A really good or elite starter blows away everything else in value.

If we eventually try it out and he cant hack it as a starter, then this would be a really nice consolation prize for him to fall back on.
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Old 04-29-2008, 11:14 PM   #9
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Right now we still have a faint unlikely hope at competing, so we still have to keep grabbing for the brass ring with what we know works. I'm fine with experimenting with him and/or Nunez later this year if we are hopelessly out of contention, unless our pitching coaches are just somehow absolutely certain that he doesnt have the stamina or pitching arsenal to make it as a starter. As great a closer as he is now, he'd be far more valuable as an ace, if he was capable of it. An elite (top-5) closer is about as valuable as a moderately above-average starter. A really good or elite starter blows away everything else in value.

If we eventually try it out and he cant hack it as a starter, then this would be a really nice consolation prize for him to fall back on.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think it makes sense. If we have any chance of being competitive, wouldn't maximizing our best pitcher's innings improve that chance? I'm not saying throw him in the rotation; he doesn't have the arm strength or stamina for that yet. But let him pitch in our most important innings, not just a worthless inning where we are up by four runs like today.

He's only valuable if he's pitching in valuable innings. Right now, he's not.
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I get what you're saying, but I don't think it makes sense. If we have any chance of being competitive, wouldn't maximizing our best pitcher's innings improve that chance? I'm not saying throw him in the rotation; he doesn't have the arm strength or stamina for that yet. But let him pitch in our most important innings, not just a worthless inning where we are up by four runs like today.

He's only valuable if he's pitching in valuable innings. Right now, he's not.
He just got in work today, we cant let him rot on the bench with too many days off. He pitches in almost every valuable 9th, so to say he's being completely wasted is just not true.

Its easier to be a great relief pitcher. They dont have to pace themselves at all, they give everything they have for 3 outs, and they dont have to worry about a lineup seeing their stuff for the third or fourth time while they are running out of gas. The batter has no chance to figure out the closer, its final exam on day 1 and see you later. Frankly, I believe the odds of him succeeding as a starter are maybe 50/50 at best, probably closer to 25/75.

The upside is high enough to try it when we have nothing to lose. However, we know he can help us close games now, and if we try him as a starter while we still have a faint unlikely hope at competing and it doesnt work, the season is over. We have other pitchers in the rotation and waiting to come up who have been trained to be starters, and it'll be up to them until we fall out of the race.

I'd rather experiment when the games do not count. Right now they still do count, so he's our closer until further notice.
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He just got in work today, we cant let him rot on the bench with too many days off. He pitches in almost every valuable 9th, so to say he's being completely wasted is just not true.

Its easier to be a great relief pitcher. They dont have to pace themselves at all, they give everything they have for 3 outs, and they dont have to worry about a lineup seeing their stuff for the third or fourth time while they are running out of gas. The batter has no chance to figure out the closer, its final exam on day 1 and see you later. Frankly, I believe the odds of him succeeding as a starter are maybe 50/50 at best, probably closer to 25/75.

The upside is high enough to try it when we have nothing to lose. However, we know he can help us close games now, and if we try him as a starter while we still have a faint unlikely hope at competing and it doesnt work, the season is over. We have other pitchers in the rotation and waiting to come up who have been trained to be starters, and it'll be up to them until we fall out of the race.

I'd rather experiment when the games do not count. Right now they still do count, so he's our closer until further notice.
It's not experimenting, though. We're not talking about moving him straight to the rotation. Why not pitch him during our most important innings, regardless of where in the game that falls? The idea of having a set closer is stupid. All it does is limit your best pitcher to innings that often are worthless. If we need a good pitcher in the 6th, 7th, or 8th, use him. And don't be scared to let him pitch more than one inning at a time.

And he was a starter before the Royals picked him up. In fact, he threw a perfect game in Mexico a day after the Royals selected him, which is like throwing a perfect game in Denver. If that game had been a few days earlier, the Royals wouldn't have him right now.
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Old 04-29-2008, 11:59 PM   #13
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It's not experimenting, though. We're not talking about moving him straight to the rotation. Why not pitch him during our most important innings, regardless of where in the game that falls? The idea of having a set closer is stupid. All it does is limit your best pitcher to innings that often are worthless. If we need a good pitcher in the 6th, 7th, or 8th, use him. And don't be scared to let him pitch more than one inning at a time.

And he was a starter before the Royals picked him up. In fact, he threw a perfect game in Mexico a day after the Royals selected him, which is like throwing a perfect game in Denver. If that game had been a few days earlier, the Royals wouldn't have him right now.
Totally agree with all of your points in this thread. I don't even think it's a matter of the most important innings, but more so the quantity of innings he's throwing. I haven't looked, but I'd imagine that Greinke probably has around 40 IP so far this year, compared to Soria's 10. I think eventually he has to get moved to the rotation, he's just to valubable to be only a closer with his pitch selection, and as you state before, he's been a starter previously, so it's not like it's going to be completely foreign to him.

Also, I'd like to nominate Nunez as the man to replace him as closer.

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Why not pitch him during our most important innings, regardless of where in the game that falls? The idea of having a set closer is stupid.
So, you are saying with the game on the line, the 8th and 9th innings of a game aren't the most important?

Keep him where he is. He's very valuable, and I'd rather have a nails closer rather than some washed up bullpen vet that is likely to give up a game winner when we're up by one run in the 8th or 9th innings.
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