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Old 05-11-2008, 11:49 AM  
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Okay, here is a place for the Golfers to talk about tournaments, clubs, swing help or thoughts.

Today is the Players Championship, which I think ought to be the 5th Major. Largest pot in the PGA. The daunting 17th, which seems to bring excitement every year. At least we will get to see Sergio blow up yet again.

I am ready to see some water balls!
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:39 PM   #3256
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This is just not true. Tiger was one of the last adopters of a titanium driver and an even later user of a graphite shaft. Those advances actually hurt him in comparison to the field.
Well you are the Tiger Woods expert so I'll defer. I do know what it was like to play with a set of Gene The Machine Litler's though. Probably closer to what Jack played with.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:05 AM   #3257
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The golf ball makes a TON of difference in today's game as well...the old ball forced guys to be more creative and actually play different shots and become shotmakers. It wasn't just grip it and rip it and spin from 3' rough like it is today.

Guys are going to continue to bomb it 5 miles and obliterate courses as long as the equipment companies keep developing new balls.

This morning on The Morning Drive John Cook was talking about how he used to hit a 6 iron to the 17th and never hit anything less than an 8 to it...that's nuts.

On Thursday Mickelson hit a FOUR IRON off the tee at 18 and was still able to reach the green comfortably. It's way out of hand...

I wish they'd introduce a tour spec ball...will never happen though.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:30 AM   #3258
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It was also funny to hear Skip Bayless (I know) act like he knows golf and knows what he's talking about by trying to insinuate the Tiger/Sergio beef started at Medinah at the '99 PGA because of Sergio's little air kick after the miracle behind the tree shot and he spouted some bullshit about Sergio holing a putt and pointing at Tiger and smack talking him or something. He's a moron.

The rivalry didn't really start until 2000 and the Battle at Bighorn when Sergio celebrated like he'd won the Masters and really rubbed in Tiger's face. That was when shit got real...
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:11 AM   #3259
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The rivalry didn't really start until 2000 and the Battle at Bighorn when Sergio celebrated like he'd won the Masters and really rubbed in Tiger's face. That was when shit got real...
Yeah, that was back when Tiger was simply not losing and completely dominating fields. He had won three majors in a row going into that and won at Firestone by 10+ shots. That Sergio win in the exhibition was probably where it all started for Woods.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:35 AM   #3260
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Yup and his comments at the 02 U.S. Open really amped shit up too...he basically insinuated the USGA and golf showed Tiger favoritism.

I just wonder if any of these guys realize how vindictive Tiger is and his memory...hello Colin Montgomerie, Stephen Ames, Vijay Singh just to name a few.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:42 AM   #3261
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And the latest on this controversy. I knew Tiger knew what he was doing...

http://www.examiner.com/article/mars...s-championship



Marshals say Tiger lied about an incident that happened Saturday during The Players Championship. There have been barbs traded between Sergio Garcia and Tiger Woods over the incident that happened on the second hole during the third round, and on May 14 ESPN broke down the details.

Sergio Garcia has been vocal in his frustration over being paired with Tiger Woods, and things got worse after Saturday's incident. Garcia said that a shot of his went awry because Tiger pulled out his club during Garcia's swing preparation and the crowd cheered, disrupting his swing and concentration.

For his part, Tiger Woods' response was that the marshals said that Garcia had already hit, so he was clear to make his shot. He went so far as to say, “I hear [Garcia's] comments afterward, and it's not real surprising that he's complaining about something.” Well, Tiger may have thought the marshals would stay quiet on this one, but they didn't.

Marshals say Tiger lied about speaking to them. Two marshals have said that Tiger didn't ask them anything, and that they aren't allowed to speak to the players. Marshal Gary Anderson was the first to speak up, and chief marshal John North says he was present as well and backs up Anderson's remarks. North says he was disappointed to hear Woods say what he did, and adds that he thinks it “lacked character.”

Woods won The Players Championship while Garcia imploded over the final round, finishing eighth. Clearly Garcia and Woods won't be planning vacations together or anything like that after this, but Sergio Garcia must feel a bit vindicated after the marshals said Tiger lied about what happened. Tiger Woods perhaps simply thought the marshals would stay mum on what did or did not happen on the course, but things didn't play out that way.

Many have remarked on watching footage with a split-screen of the incident, and Woods is definitely getting a lot of criticism over this one. Did Tiger Woods intentionally pull his club at the precise moment that it would most likely disrupt Sergio Garcia's shot? Should he have just stayed quiet? Should the marshals have said Tiger lied about talking to them? Many are saying that the way this has played out has made them lose respect for Tiger, just as his reputation was gaining solid recovery.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:12 AM   #3262
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:28 AM   #3263
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And the latest on this controversy. I knew Tiger knew what he was doing...

http://www.examiner.com/article/mars...s-championship



Marshals say Tiger lied about an incident that happened Saturday during The Players Championship. There have been barbs traded between Sergio Garcia and Tiger Woods over the incident that happened on the second hole during the third round, and on May 14 ESPN broke down the details.

Sergio Garcia has been vocal in his frustration over being paired with Tiger Woods, and things got worse after Saturday's incident. Garcia said that a shot of his went awry because Tiger pulled out his club during Garcia's swing preparation and the crowd cheered, disrupting his swing and concentration.

For his part, Tiger Woods' response was that the marshals said that Garcia had already hit, so he was clear to make his shot. He went so far as to say, “I hear [Garcia's] comments afterward, and it's not real surprising that he's complaining about something.” Well, Tiger may have thought the marshals would stay quiet on this one, but they didn't.

Marshals say Tiger lied about speaking to them. Two marshals have said that Tiger didn't ask them anything, and that they aren't allowed to speak to the players. Marshal Gary Anderson was the first to speak up, and chief marshal John North says he was present as well and backs up Anderson's remarks. North says he was disappointed to hear Woods say what he did, and adds that he thinks it “lacked character.”

Woods won The Players Championship while Garcia imploded over the final round, finishing eighth. Clearly Garcia and Woods won't be planning vacations together or anything like that after this, but Sergio Garcia must feel a bit vindicated after the marshals said Tiger lied about what happened. Tiger Woods perhaps simply thought the marshals would stay mum on what did or did not happen on the course, but things didn't play out that way.

Many have remarked on watching footage with a split-screen of the incident, and Woods is definitely getting a lot of criticism over this one. Did Tiger Woods intentionally pull his club at the precise moment that it would most likely disrupt Sergio Garcia's shot? Should he have just stayed quiet? Should the marshals have said Tiger lied about talking to them? Many are saying that the way this has played out has made them lose respect for Tiger, just as his reputation was gaining solid recovery.
Rex Hoggard was covering this on the GOlf Channel this morning. There were apparently three marshalls, and one didn't say anything, but apparently the other two were conversing, and said something to the effect that Sergio had shot in their conversation that Tiger overheard.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:32 AM   #3264
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And the latest on this controversy. I knew Tiger knew what he was doing...

http://www.examiner.com/article/mars...s-championship



Marshals say Tiger lied about an incident that happened Saturday during The Players Championship. There have been barbs traded between Sergio Garcia and Tiger Woods over the incident that happened on the second hole during the third round, and on May 14 ESPN broke down the details.

Sergio Garcia has been vocal in his frustration over being paired with Tiger Woods, and things got worse after Saturday's incident. Garcia said that a shot of his went awry because Tiger pulled out his club during Garcia's swing preparation and the crowd cheered, disrupting his swing and concentration.

For his part, Tiger Woods' response was that the marshals said that Garcia had already hit, so he was clear to make his shot. He went so far as to say, “I hear [Garcia's] comments afterward, and it's not real surprising that he's complaining about something.” Well, Tiger may have thought the marshals would stay quiet on this one, but they didn't.

Marshals say Tiger lied about speaking to them. Two marshals have said that Tiger didn't ask them anything, and that they aren't allowed to speak to the players. Marshal Gary Anderson was the first to speak up, and chief marshal John North says he was present as well and backs up Anderson's remarks. North says he was disappointed to hear Woods say what he did, and adds that he thinks it “lacked character.”

Woods won The Players Championship while Garcia imploded over the final round, finishing eighth. Clearly Garcia and Woods won't be planning vacations together or anything like that after this, but Sergio Garcia must feel a bit vindicated after the marshals said Tiger lied about what happened. Tiger Woods perhaps simply thought the marshals would stay mum on what did or did not happen on the course, but things didn't play out that way.

Many have remarked on watching footage with a split-screen of the incident, and Woods is definitely getting a lot of criticism over this one. Did Tiger Woods intentionally pull his club at the precise moment that it would most likely disrupt Sergio Garcia's shot? Should he have just stayed quiet? Should the marshals have said Tiger lied about talking to them? Many are saying that the way this has played out has made them lose respect for Tiger, just as his reputation was gaining solid recovery.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:00 AM   #3265
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This shit isn't new or related solely to Tiger. Seve had several "allergy" flareups during the Ryder Cup, and he and Paul Azinger had a pretty tense exchange over it.

Gamesmanship has always existed as part of the underbelly of golf. One of the reasons why Mickelson has fared better than Tiger when paired against him over the last several years is b/c Butch Harmon told him many of his secrets. Phil won't let him putt out first unless it's an absolute tap-in, because once he finishes people rush ahead to the next hole, and Tiger uses that to his advantage.
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After several trips to the range to sort out some issues, I thought we could use this thread as a sort-of sounding board.

What is the biggest issue that gives you trouble with your swing?

I've always had issues with maintaining my spine angle. Consequently, I had to save too many shots with my hands and it often resulted in inconsistent, slightly thin contact. I've been working really hard on maintaining the angle of my spine on the downswing this spring. It's a tough sensation, because I feel cramped on the downswing, and my left foot wants to spin out to myself space to clear, but it works.
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:54 AM   #3267
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After several trips to the range to sort out some issues, I thought we could use this thread as a sort-of sounding board.

What is the biggest issue that gives you trouble with your swing?

I've always had issues with maintaining my spine angle. Consequently, I had to save too many shots with my hands and it often resulted in inconsistent, slightly thin contact. I've been working really hard on maintaining the angle of my spine on the downswing this spring. It's a tough sensation, because I feel cramped on the downswing, and my left foot wants to spin out to myself space to clear, but it works.
For me it's flexibility. I was never very flexible but now that I'm older and 6 mos removed from shoulder surgery, it's tougher than ever. I found out it literally takes me 50 balls to warm up. If I go swimming or do yoga, it's quicker.

But finally with a lot of hard work, playing 3 times a week, my swing is coming around. I hit the best 6 iron of my life yesterday to 6 feet on a par 3. Nice birdie.
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For me it's flexibility. I was never very flexible but now that I'm older and 6 mos removed from shoulder surgery, it's tougher than ever. I found out it literally takes me 50 balls to warm up. If I go swimming or do yoga, it's quicker.

But finally with a lot of hard work, playing 3 times a week, my swing is coming around. I hit the best 6 iron of my life yesterday to 6 feet on a par 3. Nice birdie.
Check out the Titleist Performance Institute's website. They'll likely have a set of specific exercises to help strengthen your shoulder girdle, possibly adding range and flexibility as well.
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After several trips to the range to sort out some issues, I thought we could use this thread as a sort-of sounding board.

What is the biggest issue that gives you trouble with your swing?

I've always had issues with maintaining my spine angle. Consequently, I had to save too many shots with my hands and it often resulted in inconsistent, slightly thin contact. I've been working really hard on maintaining the angle of my spine on the downswing this spring. It's a tough sensation, because I feel cramped on the downswing, and my left foot wants to spin out to myself space to clear, but it works.
I've fought a long backswing for as long as I can remember. When I get long, I come down steep and over the top, and/or I end up opening my hips way early and pulling the piss out of the ball.

I've had some video taken, and what feels parallel to me is actually John Daly-esque. Actual parallel feels like doing a 9-3 drill.
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I've fought a long backswing for as long as I can remember. When I get long, I come down steep and over the top, and/or I end up opening my hips way early and pulling the piss out of the ball.

I've had some video taken, and what feels parallel to me is actually John Daly-esque. Actual parallel feels like doing a 9-3 drill.
Are you extremely flexible or do your hands break down at the top? I know all about those monster pulls, as I have a problem with taking the club away on an outside arc with a shut face and then re-routing semi-ish on plane. When I turn the club over I can hit some massive pull hooks.

Funny that you mention 9-3. I know it's a GolfWRX thing, but it also reminds me of Dave Pelz's clock for pitch shots. ****ed up my short game like none other, because it put way too much "hit" in my swing.
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