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Old 05-11-2008, 11:49 AM  
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Today is the Players Championship, which I think ought to be the 5th Major. Largest pot in the PGA. The daunting 17th, which seems to bring excitement every year. At least we will get to see Sergio blow up yet again.

I am ready to see some water balls!
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:46 PM   #3961
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Mickelson’s Victory Reignites Rivalry With Woods Phil Mickelson rose to No. 2 in the world rankings after his victory at the British Open.

By KAREN CROUSE
Published: July 22, 2013


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/23/sp...ht-open23.html
This headline, claiming that it will reignite a rivalry, rejuvenates Tiger...how?
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:51 PM   #3962
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Do you guys think that if Tiger gets #15, the rest will come much easier?
If he regains confidence with the putter then he'll cruise to 20 irrespective of the driver, but sometimes when putting goes it never really comes back (Tom Watson).

Honestly, as much as people talk about Tiger off the tee and on the green, he's not the same anywhere. He's 80% the player who he was before, and that's still good enough to win a lot of tournaments and majors, but he isn't good enough to lay back, play the par 3s and 4s even par and the par 5s at -12 anymore.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:54 PM   #3963
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If he regains confidence with the putter then he'll cruise to 20 irrespective of the driver, but sometimes when putting goes it never really comes back (Tom Watson).

Honestly, as much as people talk about Tiger off the tee and on the green, he's not the same anywhere. He's 80% the player who he was before, and that's still good enough to win a lot of tournaments and majors, but he isn't good enough to lay back, play the par 3s and 4s even par and the par 5s at -12 anymore.

He's #1 on the PGA Tour in scoring average. He's also #1 in total putting and #4 in strokes gained putting. Have no idea what you're basing your opinions on.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:58 PM   #3964
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He's #1 on the PGA Tour in scoring average. He's also #1 in total putting and #4 in strokes gained putting. Have no idea what you're basing your opinions on.
Watching him muck around **** up on the greens at every major this year.

He's not #1 in putting, Phil is. Tiger is #14 in Putts/GIR and 54th in total putting.

Quit lying.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:01 PM   #3965
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Lofts vary on 1 irons. Old school 1 irons are going to have less loft than 1 irons made in the last 25 years.
They'll have more. The average loft on irons has been strengthened by about 3-4* over the last 25 years. Your dad's 1 is your 2.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:03 PM   #3966
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I can't find the PGA Tour stats. Can you assist me?

Sure! I can help!

Total Putting
Select Year: 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001
Y-T-D statistics through: The Open Championship Jul 21, 2013
Rank
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Week Rank
Last
Week Player Events Total
1 1 Tiger Woods 10 58.6
2 2 Greg Chalmers 20 59.8
3 3 Peter Hanson 12 70.4
4 4 Bryce Molder 19 70.6
5 5 David Hearn 21 71.1
6 6 Stephen Ames 17 72.3
7 7 Luke Donald 10 75.8
8 8 Aaron Watkins 16 81.6
9 11 Billy Horschel 19 89.6
10 9 Russell Henley 19 90.8
http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02428.html
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:08 PM   #3967
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Total Putting
Select Year: 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001
Y-T-D statistics through: The Open Championship Jul 21, 2013
Rank
This
Week Rank
Last
Week Player Events Total
1 1 Tiger Woods 10 58.6
2 2 Greg Chalmers 20 59.8
3 3 Peter Hanson 12 70.4
4 4 Bryce Molder 19 70.6
5 5 David Hearn 21 71.1
6 6 Stephen Ames 17 72.3
7 7 Luke Donald 10 75.8
8 8 Aaron Watkins 16 81.6
9 11 Billy Horschel 19 89.6
10 9 Russell Henley 19 90.8
http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02428.html


Putts per round is an actual measurement of the number of putts someone takes when they play golf:

54th

Putts/GIR is still the de facto standard for putting.

http://espn.go.com/golf/statistics/_.../type/expanded

14th

Total putting doesn't actually measure how many strokes a player takes on a green they hit, nor how many strokes they take per round.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:33 PM   #3968
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Total putts is meaningless, it's skewed by your approach shot proximity to the hole. Hitting it tight results in fewer putts by definition. Doesn't mean you putted well.


Here's the best measurement of putting, Sabermetrics geeks like you & I should like this: http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/st...-pga-tour-stat
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:36 PM   #3969
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I agree that strokes gained is a good metric, but it is not the "Total Putting" stat. Furthermore, only a buffoon could watch the majors and say with a straight face that Tiger's putting is not a problem. It obviously is, regardless of what he does at Doral.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:59 PM   #3970
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What's Tiger's Fairways and Greens percentage compared to the field...I think these are the best indicators
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I agree that strokes gained is a good metric, but it is not the "Total Putting" stat. Furthermore, only a buffoon could watch the majors and say with a straight face that Tiger's putting is not a problem. It obviously is, regardless of what he does at Doral.
Maybe he needs another lesson with Stricker.
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What's Tiger's Fairways and Greens percentage compared to the field...I think these are the best indicators
His driving accuracy is 57th, but he hits driver significantly less often than do other pros. He's 35th in GIR.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:39 PM   #3973
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They'll have more. The average loft on irons has been strengthened by about 3-4* over the last 25 years. Your dad's 1 is your 2.
I was under the understanding that lofts have been weakened over the years, like old school 4 irons are our 3 irons, so forth. Thought I read that somewhere.

Researched this and found that Ben Hogan's 1 iron had more loft than today's 1 irons. The messageboard even had a debate of whether Hogan would be as effective with a modern 1 iron. Idiots.
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His driving accuracy is 57th, but he hits driver significantly less often than do other pros. He's 35th in GIR.
Yeah, if Tiger can get the driver back in gear again, I think he is undoubtedly the best in the game. Seems lately, and I mean the last 5 years or so, he has been pretty crappy with the big stick. Always having to scramble and make heroic shots from the rough or in the trees, this will bite your ass in the big tournaments.

I would almost like to see him go back to the driver he used in 2000, wonder if he still has it? I think it was a steel shaft Titleist, 6.5 degree. He hit that thing like 320 easy.
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Yeah, if Tiger can get the driver back in gear again, I think he is undoubtedly the best in the game. Seems lately, and I mean the last 5 years or so, he has been pretty crappy with the big stick. Always having to scramble and make heroic shots from the rough or in the trees, this will bite your ass in the big tournaments.

I would almost like to see him go back to the driver he used in 2000, wonder if he still has it? I think it was a steel shaft Titleist, 6.5 degree. He hit that thing like 320 easy.
He used a Titleist 975D 7.5* w/ a DGX100 shaft.

He's crappy with the driver because he doesn't have the fast twitch speed he once did. More specifically, the Haney swing ruined his driver, as he got way too laid off at the top. He's better with it than he once was, but now he has a dual miss instead of just blowing everything 60 yards right.
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