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Old 05-11-2008, 12:49 PM  
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Okay, here is a place for the Golfers to talk about tournaments, clubs, swing help or thoughts.

Today is the Players Championship, which I think ought to be the 5th Major. Largest pot in the PGA. The daunting 17th, which seems to bring excitement every year. At least we will get to see Sergio blow up yet again.

I am ready to see some water balls!
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:23 PM   #3976
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Thats why, IIRC, he made the swing changes early after winning the Masters in 97. He used his hands to control the clubface (which is a terrible idea, btw) and his distance control was awful.


I still concede that leaving Butch was the biggest mistake he has ever made.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:31 PM   #3977
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Tiger used to make up shots on the field around the green, and now he gives them away in the big tournaments. That plus being conservative at the tee is really giving him no margin for error. I think if he gets one, he will get it rolling to the record. Going to be interesting how long that takes though.

Golf has a lot of balance now, with different guys winning each major. Different guys that are legit players, not just one-shot wonders. With guys like Rose and Scott confident in majors, it's just going to get harder. If other guys like Mahan, Westwood, and Donald step up in the big ones that's even more to deal with.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:32 PM   #3978
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Tiger's swing when he first came out on tour was the exact opposite of Haney's swing. He was a shut-face player at the top with an upright swing who played a power draw. He was able to work the ball both ways when Butch moved him to more of an on-plane swing with a square face.

Haney had him laid off and wide open, and he came into the ball way under plane, hitting those huge pushes.

His distance control wasn't as good with his 2000 era swing, but the swing he won the '97 Masters with was a marvel in its own right.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:33 PM   #3979
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Tiger still has an all time great short game, but he does have that one shot that gets him it seems.

I think the distance thing is hurting him now. He used to be able to hit it so much farther than everyone it made the game a little unfair. Like Hamas said, he could jsut play everything but par 5's at E and still win tournaments.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:35 PM   #3980
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He makes mistakes around the green he never used to make. His sand play has been average at best during the big tournaments, and he is missing the big short putts that he made in his sleep.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:36 PM   #3981
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He does seem to have gotten his draw back a little, so being able to play different shots should help. He just needs to get out of his own way on the stuff around the greens that used to make him unbeatable. Right now, its just a matter of when the bad short putt is coming, not if.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:38 PM   #3982
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Butch had him square all the way through, which was beautiful. Then Haney got him trying to take out the left side for some dumbshit reason.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:38 PM   #3983
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This swing was from '98, after the rebuild started. He's not as on-plane as he was in 2000 (note the higher hands and how the shaft appears to be slightly across the line), but this was his most powerful swing:

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Old 07-25-2013, 11:40 PM   #3984
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Not to get off track, but did you see Tom Rindaldi try to repeat the quote you have in your sig to Phil after he won? He butchered it.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:42 PM   #3985
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IMO, Haney had Tiger get more length in the backswing, which maybe was due to the knee/foot problems. I don't know, but it was dumb.

His best days were when he could get a full shoulder turn and limit hip turn.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:47 PM   #3986
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Not to get off track, but did you see Tom Rindaldi try to repeat the quote you have in your sig to Phil after he won? He butchered it.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:48 PM   #3987
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Rinaldi, you're a millionare, get your ****ing teeth fixed.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:53 PM   #3989
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IMO, Haney had Tiger get more length in the backswing, which maybe was due to the knee/foot problems. I don't know, but it was dumb.

His best days were when he could get a full shoulder turn and limit hip turn.
Tiger caused a lot of those problems himself with that stupid ass knee snap he'd do for extra distance. Ironically enough, the swing he came out on tour with would have been the one that aged the best--body wise.
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He used a Titleist 975D 7.5* w/ a DGX100 shaft.

He's crappy with the driver because he doesn't have the fast twitch speed he once did. More specifically, the Haney swing ruined his driver, as he got way too laid off at the top. He's better with it than he once was, but now he has a dual miss instead of just blowing everything 60 yards right.
Case in point, get back to Harmon as quick as possible.

The steel shaft would give him more accuracy I think, his athleticism is still there don't doubt for a second. Not a huge Tiger fan anymore after 09, but for some reason I like to see him do well in tourneys. Probably because he is American and it seems like foreigners are winning all the majors now. *I know Mickelson just won the British.
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