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Old 05-11-2008, 11:49 AM  
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Okay, here is a place for the Golfers to talk about tournaments, clubs, swing help or thoughts.

Today is the Players Championship, which I think ought to be the 5th Major. Largest pot in the PGA. The daunting 17th, which seems to bring excitement every year. At least we will get to see Sergio blow up yet again.

I am ready to see some water balls!
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:13 PM   #3976
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He gets so steep with the driver and it gets stuck behind him, so he's either going to snap hook it left or blast it right.


He's trying to change it, but it's taking a while.

And FWIW, Hank Haney is an awful golf swing coach.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:15 PM   #3977
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I was under the understanding that lofts have been weakened over the years, like old school 4 irons are our 3 irons, so forth. Thought I read that somewhere.

Researched this and found that Ben Hogan's 1 iron had more loft than today's 1 irons. The messageboard even had a debate of whether Hogan would be as effective with a modern 1 iron. Idiots.
Old school four irons are our six irons.

Think about it this way: how do you think equipment manufacturers keep getting longer and longer distances out of their irons every year, especially TM? They don't do it via much innovation in the cavity backed iron, but by strengthening the loft.

Ping's Eye 2s, for example, had a 36* 7 iron. The G15s were 32* for the same club.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:20 PM   #3978
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He gets so steep with the driver and it gets stuck behind him, so he's either going to snap hook it left or blast it right.


He's trying to change it, but it's taking a while.

And FWIW, Hank Haney is an awful golf swing coach.
He's always gotten stuck. He even got stuck w/ Butch. One of his problems is that he doesn't have the hand speed to fix the face at impact anymore.

One thing I'll never understand, O'Meara aside, is how he was dumb enough to take on Haney as a coach. Haney literally quit playing golf because he had the driver yips.

Hell, have any of his players on his show actually gotten better because of what he's taught them? I imagine they are better golfers, but I'd bet it's due to practicing a lot rather than anything his dumb ass has taught them.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:23 PM   #3979
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Thats why, IIRC, he made the swing changes early after winning the Masters in 97. He used his hands to control the clubface (which is a terrible idea, btw) and his distance control was awful.


I still concede that leaving Butch was the biggest mistake he has ever made.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:31 PM   #3980
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Tiger used to make up shots on the field around the green, and now he gives them away in the big tournaments. That plus being conservative at the tee is really giving him no margin for error. I think if he gets one, he will get it rolling to the record. Going to be interesting how long that takes though.

Golf has a lot of balance now, with different guys winning each major. Different guys that are legit players, not just one-shot wonders. With guys like Rose and Scott confident in majors, it's just going to get harder. If other guys like Mahan, Westwood, and Donald step up in the big ones that's even more to deal with.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:32 PM   #3981
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Tiger's swing when he first came out on tour was the exact opposite of Haney's swing. He was a shut-face player at the top with an upright swing who played a power draw. He was able to work the ball both ways when Butch moved him to more of an on-plane swing with a square face.

Haney had him laid off and wide open, and he came into the ball way under plane, hitting those huge pushes.

His distance control wasn't as good with his 2000 era swing, but the swing he won the '97 Masters with was a marvel in its own right.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:33 PM   #3982
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Tiger still has an all time great short game, but he does have that one shot that gets him it seems.

I think the distance thing is hurting him now. He used to be able to hit it so much farther than everyone it made the game a little unfair. Like Hamas said, he could jsut play everything but par 5's at E and still win tournaments.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:35 PM   #3983
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He makes mistakes around the green he never used to make. His sand play has been average at best during the big tournaments, and he is missing the big short putts that he made in his sleep.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:36 PM   #3984
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He does seem to have gotten his draw back a little, so being able to play different shots should help. He just needs to get out of his own way on the stuff around the greens that used to make him unbeatable. Right now, its just a matter of when the bad short putt is coming, not if.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:38 PM   #3985
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Butch had him square all the way through, which was beautiful. Then Haney got him trying to take out the left side for some dumbshit reason.
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This swing was from '98, after the rebuild started. He's not as on-plane as he was in 2000 (note the higher hands and how the shaft appears to be slightly across the line), but this was his most powerful swing:

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Not to get off track, but did you see Tom Rindaldi try to repeat the quote you have in your sig to Phil after he won? He butchered it.
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IMO, Haney had Tiger get more length in the backswing, which maybe was due to the knee/foot problems. I don't know, but it was dumb.

His best days were when he could get a full shoulder turn and limit hip turn.
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Not to get off track, but did you see Tom Rindaldi try to repeat the quote you have in your sig to Phil after he won? He butchered it.
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Rinaldi, you're a millionare, get your ****ing teeth fixed.
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