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Old 05-12-2008, 10:36 AM  
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"The draft order in this mock draft was determined by calculated judgment on how I believe the teams will fair this season. All of the prospects in this mock draft are eligible for the 2009 draft, but just because they’re eligible, that doesn’t mean they will declare. With that said, congratulations to the Dallas Cowboys for winning Super Bowl XLIII and to the Kansas City Chiefs for finishing with the worst record, as they continue to rebuild their football team. The Chiefs are now on the clock…"



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Old 05-13-2008, 09:03 AM   #76
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I don't expect us to be good at all, but if we end up picking #1 overall, you can say goodbye to Herm and Carl, and hello to a new front office.
I think Croyle would be the first to go, especially if Tebow and Stafford declare for the draft.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:08 AM   #77
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Tebow was what a sophomore last year? heck he has plenty of time to fine tune his passing skills before heading to the NFL.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:09 AM   #78
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I can tell you exactly how Huard won 4 games and Croyle won zero: Larry Johnson. Huard lost all 4 of his starts without LJ and Croyle never had a start with him in the backfield.
not to mention it was his first year getting an opportunity to play...
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:15 AM   #79
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I really don't see how anyone can judge Croyle playing behind not only a bad line, but one of the worse that has ever seen the field in the NFL. Throw on top of that LJ being out and I'm willing to see what he does this year before passing judgement. The thing that does trouble me is the Detroit game where huard came in and lit it up after croyle got hurt, but hey if brodie struggles again this year QB will be a huge target come next years draft.
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:30 PM   #80
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I'm comparing what they had to work with when they started, which was nothing. When they finally got the players to win they succeeded
Elway had some success with crap teams around him. Shit, let's be real. A couple of those Super Bowl teams had absolutely no business being there...and they wouldn't have been if it weren't for him.
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:37 PM   #81
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:39 PM   #82
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Elway had some success with crap teams around him. Shit, let's be real. A couple of those Super Bowl teams had absolutely no business being there...and they wouldn't have been if it weren't for him.
Absolute correct.

If it weren't for John Elway and Dan Reeves, the Broncos would have never seen the Super Bowl in the 80's.

It's surprising to me to see people even TRY to compare Elway's early struggles with Croyle's. Actually, it's ridiculous.

Elway was a Phenom, a prodigy.

Croyle is...???

Not.
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Old 05-13-2008, 06:06 PM   #83
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Elway had some success with crap teams around him. Shit, let's be real.


I'm not debating that, but when he was finally in the right situation when he had weapons around him and a RB he won the SB twice.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:15 PM   #84
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Absolute correct.

If it weren't for John Elway and Dan Reeves, the Broncos would have never seen the Super Bowl in the 80's.

It's surprising to me to see people even TRY to compare Elway's early struggles with Croyle's. Actually, it's ridiculous.

Elway was a Phenom, a prodigy.

Croyle is...???

Not.
A lot of people discount Reeves' contribution because he was so heavy handed. I was angry when Reeves was fired...but understand why he had to be, in retrospect.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:17 PM   #85
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I'm not debating that, but when he was finally in the right situation when he had weapons around him and a RB he won the SB twice.


-or was it the ZBS? The world may never know...
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:27 PM   #86
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A lot of people discount Reeves' contribution because he was so heavy handed. I was angry when Reeves was fired...but understand why he had to be, in retrospect.
What was that reason, Mr. listopencil? I honestly don't recall.

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Old 05-14-2008, 11:59 AM   #87
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Yeah and I'm sure you'd feel the same way if Tebow played for Georgia, right?
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Or half a roster full of rookies and second year players...but blaming Herm is always easier.
Its true! 'Herm' is only 4 letters, whereas the other option is 44 letters... why waste the time to make a point?
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A lot of people discount Reeves' contribution because he was so heavy handed. I was angry when Reeves was fired...but understand why he had to be, in retrospect.
If Reeves had gone to Dallas instead of Switzer, I fully believe that Cowboys team would have gone 19-0. I even told all my friends at the time I believed that to be so.

I still don't understand how Reeves contribution to the NFL is so often overlooked. He took the Broncos three times to the Super Bowl, the Falcons to the Super Bowl and the Giants to the playoffs (a very poor, untalented Giants team).

Definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame.
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Yeah and I'm sure you'd feel the same way if Tebow played for Georgia, right?
Matt Stafford is a good QB as well. I want him to fail miserably and lose nearly every game, but that doesn't cloud my judgment of him as a player.
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