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Old 07-28-2008, 04:28 PM  
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Rep Young on drilling

House Bill 6107 - Everyone should see this
Congressman Don Young, Rep. Alaska talking about oil and ANWR on house floor

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Okay, I watched it. I'm not sure what everyone's clapping about. This guy thinks we can drill our way out of this problem, but even if we opened up ANWAR and offshore drilling and were able to get oil tommorrow, the estimated reserves (which is a generous estimate) is enough to last us for about ten to fourteen years. Then we're right back to square one. And there's the C02, the runoff, the damage to beaches, etc.

Nuclear will work. Clean Coal (if it existed) would work, it's at least viable. Wind, hydro, solar and geothermal will work and have the best upside.

Efficiency standards and a different power source for autos and trucks should be priority.

This guy just offers more of the same. Not to mention that if Indian and Chinese demand outsrips U.S. increased supply (which all projections show) and American petroleum countries are allowed to sell to those foreign customers (which you know they'll want to), then there may be no tangible benefit to U.S. consumers.

This guy is either doing the bidding of the oil companies unwittingly or he's in their pocket.

Edit that* This guy is under investigation for taking bribes from oil companies.
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Okay, I watched it. I'm not sure what everyone's clapping about. This guy thinks we can drill our way out of this problem, but even if we opened up ANWAR and offshore drilling and were able to get oil tommorrow, the estimated reserves (which is a generous estimate) is enough to last us for about ten to fourteen years. Then we're right back to square one. And there's the C02, the runoff, the damage to beaches, etc.

Nuclear will work. Clean Coal (if it existed) would work, it's at least viable. Wind, hydro, solar and geothermal will work and have the best upside.

Efficiency standards and a different power source for autos and trucks should be priority.

This guy just offers more of the same. Not to mention that if Indian and Chinese demand outsrips U.S. increased supply (which all projections show) and American petroleum countries are allowed to sell to those foreign customers (which you know they'll want to), then there may be no tangible benefit to U.S. consumers.

This guy is either doing the bidding of the oil companies unwittingly or he's in their pocket.

Edit that* This guy is under investigation for taking bribes from oil companies.
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:58 PM   #7
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Okay, I watched it. I'm not sure what everyone's clapping about. This guy thinks we can drill our way out of this problem, but even if we opened up ANWAR and offshore drilling and were able to get oil tommorrow, the estimated reserves (which is a generous estimate) is enough to last us for about ten to fourteen years. Then we're right back to square one. And there's the C02, the runoff, the damage to beaches, etc.

Nuclear will work. Clean Coal (if it existed) would work, it's at least viable. Wind, hydro, solar and geothermal will work and have the best upside.

Efficiency standards and a different power source for autos and trucks should be priority.

This guy just offers more of the same. Not to mention that if Indian and Chinese demand outsrips U.S. increased supply (which all projections show) and American petroleum countries are allowed to sell to those foreign customers (which you know they'll want to), then there may be no tangible benefit to U.S. consumers.

This guy is either doing the bidding of the oil companies unwittingly or he's in their pocket.

Edit that* This guy is under investigation for taking bribes from oil companies.
But I can't help but wonder where we would be if we had started this years ago. I agree that in the long term this is not the answer but in the meantime doing nothing will solve exactly that, nothing.
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Okay, I watched it. I'm not sure what everyone's clapping about. This guy thinks we can drill our way out of this problem, but even if we opened up ANWAR and offshore drilling and were able to get oil tommorrow, the estimated reserves (which is a generous estimate) is enough to last us for about ten to fourteen years. Then we're right back to square one. And there's the C02, the runoff, the damage to beaches, etc.

Nuclear will work. Clean Coal (if it existed) would work, it's at least viable. Wind, hydro, solar and geothermal will work and have the best upside.

Efficiency standards and a different power source for autos and trucks should be priority.

This guy just offers more of the same. Not to mention that if Indian and Chinese demand outsrips U.S. increased supply (which all projections show) and American petroleum countries are allowed to sell to those foreign customers (which you know they'll want to), then there may be no tangible benefit to U.S. consumers.

This guy is either doing the bidding of the oil companies unwittingly or he's in their pocket.

Edit that* This guy is under investigation for taking bribes from oil companies.
Do you have any thoughts or knowledge about abiotic oil theories? This is totally new to me but I find it very intriguing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
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Old 07-28-2008, 07:15 PM   #9
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But I can't help but wonder where we would be if we had started this years ago. I agree that in the long term this is not the answer but in the meantime doing nothing will solve exactly that, nothing.
I'm certainly not for dong nothing, but had we started drilling in ANWAR as this guy wants, there's no projection greater than that we could even derive 1/20 of our current consumption level from there. So being generous, take 1/40th (assuming at least 50% cost and profit for the extra production) off of your gas tab. Better? Not much.
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Do you have any thoughts or knowledge about abiotic oil theories? This is totally new to me but I find it very intriguing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
That seems interesting scientifically, but when there are viable renewable sources of energy, I don't know why we shouldn't be pursuing them. Even abiogenic petro (if it exists) would be nonrenewable, unless we gained control of the philosopher's stone.
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I'm certainly not for dong nothing, but had we started drilling in ANWAR as this guy wants, there's no projection greater than that we could even derive 1/20 of our current consumption level from there. So being generous, take 1/40th (assuming at least 50% cost and profit for the extra production) off of your gas tab. Better? Not much.
Better taking 1/40 off the tab then for it to be another 400% increase in the next 10 years. It is not about today it is about pulling out all the stops in whatever manner so there is a future where I do not have to ride a horse to work.
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That seems interesting scientifically, but when there are viable renewable sources of energy, I don't know why we shouldn't be pursuing them. Even abiogenic petro (if it exists) would be nonrenewable, unless we gained control of the philosopher's stone.
I must be missing something here. I was under the impression that this is still rising from the subsurface and that there have been documented accounts of reservoirs of crude refilling. Sounds renewable to me.

Of course there are still issues with regards to the environment and so forth so this would not be a cure all by any means. But is might slow the speculators down and end the nonsense about peak oil. Long term we need to be very serious about solar, wind, nuclear, etc for sure but that will not help tomorrow or even Wednesday.
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Better taking 1/40 off the tab then it to be another 400% increase in the next 10 years. It is not about today it ia about pulling out all the stops in whatever manner so there is a future where I do not have to ride a horse to work.
It's not so much the discount that you should focus on, but instead the unquestioned rapid increase in demand from China and India that will far outstrip our ability to supply oil. That alone is enough for me to know that oil at this point is a fool's errand.
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It's not so much the discount that you should focus on, but instead the unquestioned rapid increase in demand from China and India that will far outstrip our ability to supply oil. That alone is enough for me to know that oil at this point is a fool's errand.
I would love to see us end all "fossil" fuels but that is not practical at the moment. We need to have something to use as a transitional element for now. What good does it do to leave it in the ground for future generations that hopefully will have little to no need for it?
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I would love to see us end all "fossil" fuels but that is not practical at the moment. We need to have something to use as a transitional element for now. What good does it do to leave it in the ground for future generations that hopefully will have little to no need for it?
Competitively against other nations as a supplier of the fuel of the future? It does us a world of good. We scould make a sh** ton of money. Not to mention that saving it as a military resource (as the strategic reserve was designed) is advantageous as well if we should run short of other fuels.
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