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Old 08-22-2008, 08:11 PM  
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McCain flip-flops, agayn. This time it's abortion.

After the stink conservatives have made over public financing and FISA, I expect to see nothing more than complete outrage.

Or am I just exaggerating my expectations? Who knows.

More or less, I expect more of pat's talk about "evolving positions."

C'mon folks. You either care about flip-flopping or you don't.

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McCain Backs Away from Abortion Pledge

August 20, 2008 8:46 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis and Rigel Anderson Report: John McCain's campaign signaled on Wednesday that the Arizona senator is backing away from his previously stated goal of changing the GOP’s platform on abortion.

"There's a process in place for the delegates to work on the platform and we are going to let that process work itself out," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers told ABC News.

McCain’s plan to take a hands-off approach with the abortion platform stands in stark contrast with the position he took during his first presidential run.

Back in 2000, McCain clashed with then-Gov. George W. Bush over his unwillingness to change platform language that called for a human life amendment banning all abortions.

McCain implored Bush to join him in wanting to add exceptions for rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother.

Watch the McCain-Bush sparring here.

McCain's desire to change the platform did not end in 2000.

During an April 14, 2007 media availability which followed the Iowa GOP's Lincoln Day Dinner in Des Moines, McCain reaffirmed his support for changing the platform.

But now that he is the presumptive Republican nominee, the McCain camp is making it clear that he has no plans to push for changes to the platform.

McCain's decision to leave the platform untouched follows a warning from a prominent social conservative.

"If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother's life, "I think that would be political suicide," Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, told ABC News in May. "I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."

While leaving the platform untouched would please many in the GOP's socially conservative base, it could alienate some of the more moderate voters that McCain is hoping to attract.

"If he doesn't change the platform, then he's being the same kind of hypocrite that he accused Bush of being in 2000," Jennifer Blei Stockman, the co-chairwoman of Republican Majority for Choice, told ABC News in May.

"Many people think of him as a moderate," she added. "But when it comes out that he doesn't want to change this extreme, right-wing Republican platform, the word 'moderate' is going to disappear from any description of McCain."
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Old 08-22-2008, 08:48 PM   #2
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Oh, yeah, that is "shocking."
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:14 PM   #3
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Do you only care about McCain's flip-flops, and being a partisan hypocrite, like say......recxjake, which would make you a partisan DEMOCRATIC hypocrite (as opposed to a partisan REPUBLICAN hypocrite,) or....have you, in my near absence from DC.....also chastised Obama for his numerous flip-flops??? Do you have some links to threads, or should I trust that in a "search" I'll find such evidence?



Seriously; and, please, don't pretend that both candidates have not engaged in this sort of pandering and "flip-flopping"....because it would only, further, expose your partisan motivation, bias, and hypocrisy. Or perhaps it's selective attention or ignorance, for which we should place the blame for that?

FWIW, I'm only holding you to the same standard that PittGorilla and IrishJayhawk wanna seem to hold me to.....

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Old 08-22-2008, 10:16 PM   #4
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Do you only care about McCain's flip-flops, and be a partisan hypocrite, like say......recxjake, which would make you a partisan DEMOCRATIC hypocrite (as opposed to a partisan REPUBLICAN hypocrite,) or....have you, in my near absence from DC.....also chastised Obama for his numerous flip-flops??? Do you have some links to threads, or should I trust that in a "search" I'll find such evidence?



Seriously; and, please, don't pretend that both candidates have not engaged in this sort of pandering and "flip-flopping"....because it would only, further, expose your partisan motivation, bias, and hypocrisy. Or perhaps it's selective attention or ignorance, for which we should place the blame for that?

FWIW, I'm only holding you to the same standard that PittGorilla and IrishJayhawk wanna seem to hold me to.....

I've seen him hold Obama to more of an even hand than I have seen you hold McCain. FWIW
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:18 PM   #5
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I've seen him hold Obama to more of an even hand than I have seen you hold McCain. FWIW
Eh, at the moment....I'm inclined to vote for Obama. How much more even of a hand can I hold McCain to?

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Eh, at the moment....I'm inclined to vote for Obama. How much more even of a hand can I hold McCain to?

Is your vote because you are picking the lesser of two evils?
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:25 PM   #7
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Is your vote because you are picking the lesser of two evils?

Pretty much. Though I do like Barack's enthusiasm, vision, and potential for leadership.....it's just his "government solution" to every problem approach that concerns me. Bottom-line is McCain is, seemingly, less appealing.





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Old 08-22-2008, 10:27 PM   #8
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Pretty much. Though I do like Barack's enthusiasm, vision, and potential for leadership.....it's just his "government solution" to every problem approach that concerns me. Bottom-line is McCain is, seemingly, even less appealing.





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Well, then that's my point. If it's the lesser of two evils, why do I always consistently see you poke at Obama and almost never (I'd actually like to see an example.) poke at McCain.

Obviously, if McCain is the worse of the two evils, you would want to highlight at least SOME of his gaffes or missteps.
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I mean the record speaks for itself. Unless you are a die hard one way or the other. I would rather take the least of the 2 evils than another 8 years that I experienced since 2000.
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Well, then that's my point. If it's the lesser of two evils, why do I always consistently see you poke at Obama and almost never (I'd actually like to see an example.) poke at McCain.

Obviously, if McCain is the worse of the two evils, you would want to highlight at least SOME of his gaffes or missteps.

Because I'm voting for Obama, presently, he's the one I'm scrutinizing most....at the moment, anyway.

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Do you only care about McCain's flip-flops, and being a partisan hypocrite, like say......recxjake, which would make you a partisan DEMOCRATIC hypocrite (as opposed to a partisan REPUBLICAN hypocrite,) or....have you, in my near absence from DC.....also chastised Obama for his numerous flip-flops??? Do you have some links to threads, or should I trust that in a "search" I'll find such evidence?



Seriously; and, please, don't pretend that both candidates have not engaged in this sort of pandering and "flip-flopping"....because it would only, further, expose your partisan motivation, bias, and hypocrisy. Or perhaps it's selective attention or ignorance, for which we should place the blame for that?

FWIW, I'm only holding you to the same standard that PittGorilla and IrishJayhawk wanna seem to hold me to.....

I think flip-flopping is the most overrated issue of the 21st century. I believe it is largely contrived to divide and spur the population into debate about usually insignicant issues compared to the ones really boiling under this country's skin. Nothing good has ever come out of a candidate making this charge.

I bring up McCain's flip-flops as often as I can to remind the flip-flop-obsessed on the Right that it's a non-issue.
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So I am.

I mean the record speaks for itself. Unless you are a die hard one way or the other. I would rather take the least of the 2 evils than another 8 years that I experienced since 2000.
Need a shoulder to cry on? It sounds like George W. Bush has really been tough on you. Let me guess. He's put you on a nofly list? He detained your father and locked him up at Gitmo? He arranged for your job to be given to some undeserving, dirty, little foreigner? Share your pain.
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I think flip-flopping is the most overrated issue of the 21st century. I believe it is largely contrived to divide and spur the population into debate about usually insignicant issues compared to the ones really boiling under this country's skin. Nothing good has ever come out of a candidate making this charge.

I bring up McCain's flip-flops as often as I can to remind the flip-flop-obsessed on the Right that it's a non-issue.
I'm going to let you in on a little secret. John McCain doesn't really care all that much about the abortion issue and if he's elected, very little will change one way or the other. It doesn't matter whether the party platform includes exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother or not because it will have zero impact on the future of abortion during a McCain administration.
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Need a shoulder to cry on? It sounds like George W. Bush has really been tough on you. Let me guess. He's put you on a nofly list? He detained your father and locked him up at Gitmo? He arranged for your job to be given to some undeserving, dirty, little foreigner? Share your pain.
Well lets see Oil has tripled in price, food has nearly tripled in price, were mired down in a war that seemingly has no meaning, we tried to start WW3 with Russia, to our pres the constitution is just a GD piece of paper, Oh and our dollar is worth Jack i guess i want another 8 years of that.
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