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Old 08-24-2008, 12:02 PM  
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McCain is going to start playing POW card

Brillant idea. This worked so well for Rudy when he used 9/11 as an excuses for everything.


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First Read quotes unnamed McCain aides suggesting that McCain's prisoner-of-war experience may become his first response to the attack on his having lost track of his real estate holdings -- a non-sequitur, perhaps, but emotionally powerful.
They will be prepared to show McCain's "home" in Hanoi by using images of his cell. They claim they have not overused the POW element and insist they have "underused it."
And sure enough, McCain goes there on CBS:"I spent some years without a kitchen table, without a chair, and I know what it's like to be blessed by the opportunities of this great nation," he says in response to a question about his houses.
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Old 08-24-2008, 12:37 PM   #2
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My friends, the POW card is like a get out of jail free card. It's magic!

Cheat on your wife? "There were no women where I was for 5 and a half years."

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Old 08-24-2008, 12:38 PM   #3
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:10 PM   #4
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Honestly, this was my first thought when I saw them attacking him for his houses. It's almost impossible to make a guy who was a 5 year POW in Vietnam somehow seem "elitist". I would also make sure it's a known that roughly a fourth of the McCain's income goes to charity. (Compared to less than 1% for the Obamas prior to him running for president.)
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:14 PM   #5
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McCain is going to start playing POW card.
going to start???


has there ever been a political discussion about McCain that didn't play that card?
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:30 PM   #6
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It's pretty easy to sit back and pick shit like that apart when you've never been out of the country, let alone in a war, let alone taken prisoner, let alone for 5 ****ing years. Hasn't the guy earned the right to tout that if he wants? Win or lose, he's been through more hell than any of you will ever endure. Ever. No I'm not voting for him, or anyone else for that matter. No, I haven't served in the military. No I don't have a personal ax to grind here. But FFS, doesn't anyone respect the sacrifices people make for your right to post this tripe on the internet anymore?
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:30 PM   #7
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"I spent some years without a kitchen table, without a chair, and I know what it's like to be blessed by the opportunities of this great nation," he says in response to a question about his houses.

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"I spent some years without a kitchen table, without a chair, and I know what it's like to be blessed by marrying a wealthy woman who inherited her father's fortune." he says in response to a question about his houses.
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:31 PM   #8
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It's pretty easy to sit back and pick shit like that apart when you've never been out of the country, let alone in a war, let alone taken prisoner, let alone for 5 ****ing years. Hasn't the guy earned the right to tout that if he wants? Win or lose, he's been through more hell than any of you will ever endure. Ever. No I'm not voting for him, or anyone else for that matter. No, I haven't served in the military. No I don't have a personal ax to grind here. But FFS, doesn't anyone respect the sacrifices people make for your right to post this tripe on the internet anymore?
I'm sorry if I don't feel the conflict in Vietnam preserved my right to post on the internet. McCain's foreign policy outlook is comparable to Vietnam. Interesting, no?
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:38 PM   #9
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It's pretty easy to sit back and pick shit like that apart when you've never been out of the country, let alone in a war, let alone taken prisoner, let alone for 5 ****ing years. Hasn't the guy earned the right to tout that if he wants? Win or lose, he's been through more hell than any of you will ever endure. Ever. No I'm not voting for him, or anyone else for that matter. No, I haven't served in the military. No I don't have a personal ax to grind here. But FFS, doesn't anyone respect the sacrifices people make for your right to post this tripe on the internet anymore?
No one is dismissing his POW experience. Rather, they are dismissing the number and examples of how he's played it.

I hate this bullshit that somehow respect from being in the military means respect in all faces of your life. I hate this bullshit that somehow being a POW makes you capable of leading the country.

Most of all I hate this bullshit that both sides continue to do: ignore the issues and take up character punches instead. It's too bad that polls indicate negativity wins.
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:49 PM   #10
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I'm sorry if I don't feel the conflict in Vietnam preserved my right to post on the internet. McCain's foreign policy outlook is comparable to Vietnam. Interesting, no?
So basically, if you don't agree with the war then **** the soldiers too. They have a choice right? I'm not defending McCain the politician, I'm defending McCain the POW soldier. That's all.
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:51 PM   #11
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No one is dismissing his POW experience. Rather, they are dismissing the number and examples of how he's played it.

I hate this bullshit that somehow respect from being in the military means respect in all faces of your life. I hate this bullshit that somehow being a POW makes you capable of leading the country.

Most of all I hate this bullshit that both sides continue to do: ignore the issues and take up character punches instead. It's too bad that polls indicate negativity wins.
I agree with every single sentiment you're making except I think he has every right to wear THAT particular badge of honor any way he wishes. It doesn't mean I support, or advocate anyone else supporting his bid for the White House. I just don 't agree with anyone taking swipes at him for that. Everything BUT that IMO.
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:54 PM   #12
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So basically, if you don't agree with the war then **** the soldiers too. They have a choice right? I'm not defending McCain the politician, I'm defending McCain the POW soldier. That's all.
Did I say **** the soldiers? No I said his service was not relevant to my freedom today, which is accurate. War is old people talking and young people suffering. What I find interesting is how little affect his POW time has had on his foreign policy stances, having stood in both roles now.

I have no problem believing that his life was drastically altered by the POW experience. What I do have trouble believing is that it wouldn't affect his foreign policy outlook on world police missions. The two don't jive, and it confuses me. That was the real point of the previous post.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:02 PM   #13
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No one is dismissing his POW experience. Rather, they are dismissing the number and examples of how he's played it.

I hate this bullshit that somehow respect from being in the military means respect in all faces of your life. I hate this bullshit that somehow being a POW makes you capable of leading the country.

Most of all I hate this bullshit that both sides continue to do: ignore the issues and take up character punches instead. It's too bad that polls indicate negativity wins.

You are just following your personal stance that the military is nothing and those that serve deserve nothing in the way of respect. Whether you believe in the wars we've been involved in they were all fighting for the freedom you now enjoy.

The republicans would start attacking Obslama's character if he had any, but he doesn't. An empty quiver, so to speak.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:02 PM   #14
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Did I say **** the soldiers? No I said his service was not relevant to my freedom today, which is accurate. War is old people talking and young people suffering. What I find interesting is how little affect his POW time has had on his foreign policy stances, having stood in both roles now.

I have no problem believing that his life was drastically altered by the POW experience. What I do have trouble believing is that it wouldn't affect his foreign policy outlook on world police missions. The two don't jive, and it confuses me. That was the real point of the previous post.
I'm not interested in the politico at all. None. It's all a big, big sham to me. I'm pretty sure it is for you too. I just don't indulge in it at all anymore because I'm confident I recognize it for what it is. Smoke and mirrors. I'll stop there because I'm getting off track.

These kids that serve in the military generally come from poor as shit backgrounds, and it's the only real opportunity they have at getting the money they need to really make a life for themselves. It's a risk that many of them take because it has feel good effects as well.

The fact that the guy was defending freedom (in theory anyway) is just not lost on me. That was the point I was trying to make. With what he went through, and the honor he showed in it's pursuit, I just think he has the right to tout that to whatever level he sees fit in any facet of his life. And it's gross to me to see people criticize it that have ZERO clue of what that must have been like. It's just how I feel. I see your point on it not having any effect on YOUR individual freedom, maybe I'm overly empathetic.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:05 PM   #15
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