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Old 08-26-2008, 11:01 PM  
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Factcheck : The DNC was not speaking the truth tonight on McCain .

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080827/...wASE.4Qa1h24cA

OK ,so what else is new, Politics's as usual ......... Dems Spin it to suit their need.

FactCheck: Claims omit details on McCain record

By DARLENE SUPERVILLE, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

DENVER - The shotgun-style charges Democratic National Convention speakers fired at Republican John McCain Tuesday night weren't necessarily half-truths. But in some instances, they weren't the whole story either.
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Some examples of who said what and what they left out:

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SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON of NEW YORK: "John McCain wants to privatize Social Security."

THE FACTS: The Republican-sponsored plans McCain has supported over the years would privatize part of Social Security by letting workers invest some of their payroll taxes into private retirement accounts. In the past, McCain has proposed that up to 20 percent of payroll taxes be funneled into private retirement accounts for younger workers. He recently said all solutions for the funding crisis facing Social Security "are on the table."

_SEN. ROBERT CASEY JR. of PENNSYLVANIA: "John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush 90 percent of the time. That's not a maverick. That's a sidekick."

_PENNSYLVANIA GOV. ED RENDELL: "And guess who voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time? Sen. John McCain."

THE FACTS: McCain voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time from January 20, 2001, to when Congress left Washington on its annual August recess, according to a study by Congressional Quarterly. But McCain wasn't always a staunch Bush backer. In 2005, his support for Bush's position on legislation reached a low of 77 percent; last year, when he launched his latest bid for the GOP presidential nomination, he voted with Bush 95 percent of the time.

_IOWA GOV. CHET CULVER: "Now the oil companies are placing their bets on John McCain, bankrolling his campaign, and gambling with our future."

THE FACTS: McCain has received more than $1.5 million in contributions from oil and gas industry employees and their spouses, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Obama has received about $423,000. But the center's analysis found that Obama has received more than McCain from employees of the oil industry's major companies. Employees (and their spouses) of Exxon, Chevron and BP had given more than $93,000 to Obama as of the end of June; McCain had received $75,000, according to the study.

_RENDELL: Said the fact that top McCain advisers have lobbied for oil and gas companies "explains why he wants to give another $4 billion tax break to oil companies."

THE FACTS: The $4 billion in tax breaks for oil companies is part of McCain's plan to reduce corporate taxes overall and does not represent an additional tax benefit for these companies. The corporate reduction McCain has proposed would apply to all corporations, including oil companies.

_MONTANA GOV. BRIAN SCHWEITZER: "At a time when America should be working harder than ever to develop new, clean sources, John McCain wants more of the same and has taken more than a million dollars in campaign donations from the oil and gas industry. Now he wants to give the oil companies another $4 billion in tax breaks. Four billion in tax breaks for big oil?"

THE FACTS: McCain has collected $1.5 million from that industry. But it's a small slice of the $142 million McCain has raised so far in the campaign, ranking 11th on his donor list. Ahead of the oil and gas industry are lawyers, retirees, banking and securities interests, real estate and insurance.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:08 PM   #2
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JFC, Roy.

Did you even READ what you just posted?

The article refuted NOTHING. It made excuses.

Period.

Get a freakin' clue.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:10 PM   #3
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Quit while you are ahead Roy. They said he voted with Bush 90% of the time, which this article states is true. The 70% number is from one year.

McCain is for privatizing Social Security, but is also against it? If he is for privatizing parts of Social Security, then he is for privatizing Social Security.

So Obama has received roughly 500K from the oil industry, whereas McCain has received triple that amount, and they are off base? Moreover, nothing in the article you mention attempts to rebut Schweitzer's (correct) claim of McCain giving them tax breaks. Just because McCain has collected money from other sources does not absolve him from collecting money from Big Oil, nor does it occlude the rather odd happenstance that he received a huge campaign windfall from them as soon as he pulled an about face on offshore drilling.

What a piss poor article.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:12 PM   #4
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Worst fact check article ever?

Fact: Ok, what was said is true but...
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:22 PM   #5
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Quit while you are ahead Roy. They said he voted with Bush 90% of the time, which this article states is true. The 70% number is from one year.

McCain is for privatizing Social Security, but is also against it? If he is for privatizing parts of Social Security, then he is for privatizing Social Security.

So Obama has received roughly 500K from the oil industry, whereas McCain has received triple that amount, and they are off base? Moreover, nothing in the article you mention attempts to rebut Schweitzer's (correct) claim of McCain giving them tax breaks. Just because McCain has collected money from other sources does not absolve him from collecting money from Big Oil, nor does it occlude the rather odd happenstance that he received a huge campaign windfall from them as soon as he pulled an about face on offshore drilling.

What a piss poor article.
and made up for the 70% by voting at a higher percentage the next year
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:23 PM   #6
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Facts are not important to democrats. Never have been.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:24 PM   #7
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Quit while you are ahead Roy. They said he voted with Bush 90% of the time, which this article states is true. The 70% number is from one year.

McCain is for privatizing Social Security, but is also against it? If he is for privatizing parts of Social Security, then he is for privatizing Social Security.

So Obama has received roughly 500K from the oil industry, whereas McCain has received triple that amount, and they are off base? Moreover, nothing in the article you mention attempts to rebut Schweitzer's (correct) claim of McCain giving them tax breaks. Just because McCain has collected money from other sources does not absolve him from collecting money from Big Oil, nor does it occlude the rather odd happenstance that he received a huge campaign windfall from them as soon as he pulled an about face on offshore drilling.

What a piss poor article.
I agree with your assessment, generally.

Seriously though, I wonder though, if you will be AS generous and forgiving when the Republicans trot out the same sort of quotes....that will "selectively" cherry-pick and parse....Obama's record?



I'm open to you surprising me, but somehow I doubt you will.

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Old 08-26-2008, 11:24 PM   #8
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Facts are not important to democrats. Never have been.
Apparently they're not important to "Honest Chieffan" either.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:25 PM   #9
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I agree with your assessment, generally.

Seriously though, I wonder though, if you will be AS generous and forgiving when the Republicans trot out the same sort of quotes....that will "selectively" cherry-pick and parse....Obama's record?



I'm open to you surprising me, but somehow I doubt you will.

have you not seen McCains ads?

really there's a thread for everyone on here
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:26 PM   #10
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I agree with your assessment, generally.

Seriously though, I wonder though, if you will be AS generous and forgiving when the Republicans trot out the same sort of quotes....that will "selectively" cherry-pick and parse....Obama's record?



I'm open to you surprising me, but somehow I doubt you will.


I will be. I promise.

I'm a registered Independent and I'm seriously looking for the best candidate to lead this country out of its current mess, both domestically and internationally.

It's easy to read through bullshit if you just open your eyes and READ.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:27 PM   #11
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have you not seen McCains ads?

really there's a thread for everyone on here

I've been sparse around here; I'll look for it tomorrow.

I'm not surprised he has; I wonder, however, if Hamas finds McCain's assessment of Obama's record....as credible as he found the criticism of McCain tonight though.

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Old 08-26-2008, 11:30 PM   #12
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Another AWESOME Roy thread?
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:32 PM   #13
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I've been sparse around here; I'll look for it tomorrow.

I'm not surprised he has; I wonder, however, if Hamas finds McCain's assessment of Obama's record....as credible as he found the criticism of McCain tonight though.

Everybody's baby is the prettiest.

All I'm saying is there is some truth in this, albeit probably exaggerated to an extent,
virtually all of McCain's ads have been

rabble, rabble obama bad
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:33 PM   #14
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Epic thread, moron.
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:37 PM   #15
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Epic thread, moron.
see I don't equate Roy with a moron

I just don't agree with him
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