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Old 08-27-2008, 02:05 PM  
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Question for any / all democrats to answer.

Seriously , why all of this talk, bashing of Bush policies that you want to label John McCain as being a part / or just like Bush when the democrats have voted the same / or enough have voted to pass in the house and the Senate ? I know some stuff was all Bush, but this current group of senate and congressmen were one of the laziest group when it came to passing legislature.

Can somebody give me a serious answer without all of the BS rhetoric between parties. Where is the reason that one party or one person is the blame when clearly both parties and all voters are the problem ?


So Dems, Why bash something the democrats help make ?
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:24 PM   #2
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:26 PM   #3
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I have no love for the Pelosi led congress. Her lack of intestinal fortitude is nothing less than amazing.

Roy - I vote dem because I believe in socialized medicine, I believe in trickle up rather than trickle down, I believe in a progressive income tax, I believe in trust busting, and most of all, I believe in protecting the environment.

The repubs rate 0 on most of those issues.

You may believe differently than I do, so you should vote repub. But I will always vote for the party that most closely identifies with my beliefs on issues.
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:31 PM   #4
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Roy_I do believe there are good peeps in both Parties--the encouraging thing about this election, is that I believe the two Candidates will in fact reach across the aisle, and seek input and hopefully compromise. I just believe BO will do more of that, and in fact, already has.
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:33 PM   #5
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I have no love for the Pelosi led congress. Her lack of intestinal fortitude is nothing less than amazing.

Roy - I vote dem because I believe in socialized medicine, I believe in trickle up rather than trickle down, I believe in a progressive income tax, I believe in trust busting, and most of all, I believe in protecting the environment.

The repubs rate 0 on most of those issues.

You may believe differently than I do, so you should vote repub. But I will always vote for the party that most closely identifies with my beliefs on issues.

That's fair, it's your choice. I do feel that some core beliefs in some democrats are solid.

But my question is , Why bash Bush and or McCain for something a democrat controlled house and senate passed certain legislature ?

IMHO, it's a 2 party system that both should take blame for .
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:34 PM   #6
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That's fair, it's your choice. I do feel that some core beliefs in some democrats are solid.

But my question is , Why bash Bush and or McCain for something a democrat controlled house and senate passed certain legislature ?

IMHO, it's a 2 party system that both should take blame for .


Is this your first time around the block or something?

The answer is "because it's an election season."
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:54 PM   #7
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so your position is that they all suck so don't yell at the republicans?

wow ... so it deny,deny,deny,excuse,excuse then blame everyone, not just us?


back to the original question to why the Bush bashing and throwing McCain in there?

imo

1. Bush and his backers were so dam hostile during his presidency.

Their position from the very beginning was "We are right, you are wrong ... if you don't like it then go F*** yourself" There was no place for being wrong, no wiggle room. They took the same position with their foreign policy "we are gonna do what we want, we don't need your help, we don't want your help ... go F*** yourself"

2. this country was fully under the control for 6 years ... to now say the democratic led congress is now equal in blame based on the last 2 years is just silly.

3. No Apology here - the GOP has been and still is not the least bit apologetic about anything that's happened. Even when stuff has not worked out or been proven wrong the ignore it or deny it. How does anyone expect any understanding or sympathy when they are such jackasses about everything.

3. McCain has several difference than Bush but in some of the most problem areas he has goose stepped right in line with him.

The war,trickle down economics,big oil and now apparently the POS Karl Rove is guiding McCain's campaign? WTF Rove should probably be in jail not running another election. holy shiite.

McCain is being surrounded and swallow up by the GOP dirt digging PR spinning world of scumbags lead by Karl Rove


the GOP has burnt alot of bridges and now they ask why?

now you want to share?

now you want to get along?


i don't think so
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:02 PM   #8
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Is this your first time around the block or something?

The answer is "because it's an election season."
Good Grief, I know that, I've been around a little longer than you,I think. But this is Politics Central, it's the norm to spurt off about the other candidate / party just to suit their own agenda. They are not going to admit that they were part of the problem. Why don't we see Senators, congressmen stand up and say, Ya know, I signed that bill and I was wrong, thru all the efforts we failed, but I want to make it right, this is my new course of action or plan. Responsibility lies with all members of the house and senate.

So I ask, why bash a policy they helped create ...... FTR, This can be said for both parties. It just happen that this election is coming off of a republican president.
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:07 PM   #9
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so your position is that they all suck so don't yell at the republicans?

wow ... so it deny,deny,deny,excuse,excuse then blame everyone, not just us?


back to the original question to why the Bush bashing and throwing McCain in there?

imo

1. Bush and his backers were so dam hostile during his presidency.

Their position from the very beginning was "We are right, you are wrong ... if you don't like it then go F*** yourself" There was no place for being wrong, no wiggle room. They took the same position with their foreign policy "we are gonna do what we want, we don't need your help, we don't want your help ... go F*** yourself"

2. this country was fully under the control for 6 years ... to now say the democratic led congress is now equal in blame based on the last 2 years is just silly.

3. No Apology here - the GOP has been and still is not the least bit apologetic about anything that's happened. Even when stuff has not worked out or been proven wrong the ignore it or deny it. How does anyone expect any understanding or sympathy when they are such jackasses about everything.

3. McCain has several difference than Bush but in some of the most problem areas he has goose stepped right in line with him.

The war,trickle down economics,big oil and now apparently the POS Karl Rove is guiding McCain's campaign? WTF Rove should probably be in jail not running another election. holy shiite.

McCain is being surrounded and swallow up by the GOP dirt digging PR spinning world of scumbags lead by Karl Rove


the GOP has burnt alot of bridges and now they ask why?

now you want to share?

now you want to get along?


i don't think so
Damn, bitter ?

FTR, I believe we need a POTUS and a Senate, congress of separate parties.
I do not favor a majority in the house / senate with the same party as POTUS, too much crap get pushed thru that isn't always in the best interest of the country.
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Presidents get way too much credit when things are going good and way too much blame when things are bad. IMO

I really don't care what side of the isle they sit on. They are all dirtbags and to argue and to defend one side over the other is just silly. Nobody is right if everyone is wrong.
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Damn, bitter ?

FTR, I believe we need a POTUS and a Senate, congress of separate parties.
I do not favor a majority in the house / senate with the same party as POTUS, too much crap get pushed thru that isn't always in the best interest of the country.
WTF, Roy?

You asked, Laz answered clearly and concisely.

How does that make him bitter?

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Old 08-27-2008, 03:18 PM   #12
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Presidents get way too much credit when things are going good and way too much blame when things are bad. IMO

I really don't care what side of the isle they sit on. They are all dirtbags and to argue and to defend one side over the other is just silly. Nobody is right if everyone is wrong.
very true

which is what worries me most about McCain

i actually kinda like McCain

he is open to cleaning the enviroment and wants election financial reform. He realizes that special interest being about to buy votes isn't a good thing. He want tax reform and i believe he's a pretty sincere and honest man.

but he is getting surrounded by more and more Bush/Chaney/Rove republicans and i'm afraid that he'll pretty much be swallowed up as a president by many of the less savory side of the GOP.
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very true


but he is getting surrounded by more and more Bush/Chaney/Rove republicans and i'm afraid that he'll pretty much be swallowed up as a president by many of the less savory side of the GOP.
I agree. He has to distance himself from these people.

I honestly have not decided who I'm voting for. I don't drink the Dem kool-aid and I don't drink the GOP kool-aid. They both have issues. They both lie and spin.

The debates will decide it for me.
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WTF, Roy?

You asked, Laz answered clearly and concisely.

How does that make him bitter?

JFC.
many a republican think everyone else is bitter because they don't want to forgive and forget.

They say we are bitter because we don't want to give the GOP a hug after republicans have given us nothing but the finger for the last 8 years.

bitter ..... maybe, but i prefer to look at it as not being a fool.

What's that old adage?

"Be careful who you step on on your way up ... because they will remember you on your way down."
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WTF, Roy?

You asked, Laz answered clearly and concisely.

How does that make him bitter?

JFC.
Uh, maybe the tone of his sentences ?

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