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Old 08-30-2008, 02:56 PM  
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Surprise? First Two National Polls Find Palin Gains LESS Support from Women

By E&P STaft

Published: August 30, 2008 1:35 PM ET

NEW YORK The first national polls on John McCain's pick of Sarah Palin yesterday came out today from Rasmussen and Gallup -- and contrary to what the GOP probably hoped, she scored less well with women than men.

Here's a finding from Gallup: Among Democratic women -- including those who may be disappointed that Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic nomination -- 9% say Palin makes them more likely to support McCain, 15% less likely.

From Rasmussen: Some 38% of men said they were more likely to vote for McCain now, but only 32% of women. By a narrow 41% to 35% margin, men said she was not ready to be president -- but women soundly rejected her, 48% to 25%.

Only 9% of Obama supporters said they might be more likely to vote for McCain.

Overall, voters expressed a favorable impression of her by a 53/26 margin, but there was a severe gender gap on this: Men embraced her at 58% to 23%, while for women it was 48/30.

And by a 29/44 margin, men and women together, they do not believe that she is ready to be President.

As for voters not affiliated with either major party, 37% are more likely to vote for McCain and 28% less likely to do so.

Gallup is now out with its own initial poll. It also shows women with a slightly less favorable view of Palin. An excerpt from USA Today:

There is wide uncertainty about whether she's qualified to be president. In the poll, taken Friday, 39% say she is ready to serve as president if needed, 33% say she isn't and 29% have no opinion.

That's the lowest vote of confidence in a running mate since the elder George Bush chose then-Indiana senator Dan Quayle to join his ticket in 1988. In comparison, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was seen as qualified by 57%-18% after Democrat Barack Obama chose him as a running mate last week.....

Among all those surveyed, 35% call Obama's speech at Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium Thursday night excellent, 23% good, 15% "just OK," 3% poor and 4% "terrible." Sixteen percent say they didn't see it and 14% have no opinion. That's higher than the ratings for acceptance speeches by President Bush and Democrat John Kerry in 2004, by Bush and Democrat Al Gore in 2000 and by Republican Bob Dole in 1996.

Asked about the Democratic convention's impact, 43% say it makes them more likely to vote for Obama, 29% less likely. Nineteen percent say it won't make a difference.
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:02 PM   #2
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I've beaten you to this topic by about five minutes, but it does bear repeating.

This is what I suspected: that this grab was simply too obvious to play off as a sufficient grab for women, in particular Hillary supporters.

Excuse the visual, but Obama's choice of Biden by comparison is a dogwhistle call for Hillary supporters. Biden has long been a Hillary advocate and never kicked Hillary in the gut by abandoning her to endorse Obama. He's also polled extremely well with the traditional demographic of Hillary supporters: middle-aged women. He will turn out to have been the far more savvy reach for Hillary supporters than Palin, in part because he wasn't such an obvious pander.

Face it, folks. McCain got absolutely schooled on this one.
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:05 PM   #3
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Sorry Direckshun...

I missed your thread...

Your analysis here is right on though.
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:07 PM   #4
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I've beaten you to this topic by about five minutes, but it does bear repeating.

This is what I suspected: that this grab was simply too obvious to play off as a sufficient grab for women, in particular Hillary supporters.

Excuse the visual, but Obama's choice of Biden by comparison is a dogwhistle call for Hillary supporters. Biden has long been a Hillary advocate and never kicked Hillary in the gut by abandoning her to endorse Obama. He's also polled extremely well with the traditional demographic of Hillary supporters: middle-aged women. He will turn out to have been the far more savvy reach for Hillary supporters than Palin, in part because he wasn't such an obvious pander.

Face it, folks. McCain got absolutely schooled on this one.
Yes, it seemed like quite the desperate move. I'm sure they were thinking that when Obama didn't take Hillary for veep, that the Palin selection would just turned all the chagrined women to the McCain party. Doesn't appear to be working thus far.
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:08 PM   #5
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:11 PM   #6
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The best pandering is always done with a dogwhistle. Something your target can hear without tipping off everybody else that you're calling to them.

It beats the hell out of sounding off with a bugle, which just draws attention to itself and brings all the negative attention with it.
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:14 PM   #7
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Yes, it seemed like quite the desperate move. I'm sure they were thinking that when Obama didn't take Hillary for veep, that the Palin selection would just turned all the chagrined women to the McCain party. Doesn't appear to be working thus far.
Yeah.

And when you're hoping Hillary supporters flock to your running mate, it helps if you pick somebody who has SOMETHING, ANYTHING in common with her.

Palin, ideologically, is the exact opposite of Hillary Clinton in every way except one.
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:26 PM   #8
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Yeah.

And when you're hoping Hillary supporters flock to your running mate, it helps if you pick somebody who has SOMETHING, ANYTHING in common with her.

Palin, ideologically, is the exact opposite of Hillary Clinton in every way except one.
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:57 PM   #9
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38 men for her compared to 32 for her. I don't see the big deal in being pounded/ Those numbers aren't anything to think less of. 30 percentile is not bad. No one gets all the votes.
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Old 08-30-2008, 04:04 PM   #10
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This pick of VP is totally hypocritical of McCain who has been busting on Obama about his experience, and picking someone whose experience doesn't even come close to his. We all know the only reason he did it is to try to pull Hillary voters with the choice of a woman. That's pretty irresponsible to pick someone nowhere near prepared to be President when the main candidate is 72 years old with a long history of skin cancer and other major ailments. Additionally from reading her record, she went to the Alberto Gonzales school of political firings. She's called tough on the budget because she cut the road maintenance budget but passed overall a record budget. She is also seen as against wasteful spending because she opposed the road to nowhere. Its not mentioned that the state kept the federal funding for the project.
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Old 08-30-2008, 04:21 PM   #11
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As for voters not affiliated with either major party, 37% are more likely to vote for McCain and 28% less likely to do so.
I know this is being selective, but I found this stat encouraging. I pretty much figure most people who are already affiliated with a party will, in the end, stick with their party and aren't going to budge based on a running mate. But seeing that Palin is doing well with independents is encouraging.

Bottom line is Palin is still an unknown. It will ultimately be on her shoulders to define herself in a positive light. I think these numbers will move quickly one way or another based on how she handles the national spotlight.
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Old 08-30-2008, 07:44 PM   #12
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Old 08-30-2008, 08:15 PM   #13
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I know this is being selective, but I found this stat encouraging. I pretty much figure most people who are already affiliated with a party will, in the end, stick with their party and aren't going to budge based on a running mate. But seeing that Palin is doing well with independents is encouraging.

Bottom line is Palin is still an unknown. It will ultimately be on her shoulders to define herself in a positive light. I think these numbers will move quickly one way or another based on how she handles the national spotlight.
I could be wrong but other than a 1/2 hour speech at the RNC and her debate in Oct I doubt she gets much attention.
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I could be wrong but other than a 1/2 hour speech at the RNC and her debate in Oct I doubt she gets much attention.
If that's the case then it's a push. I don't think she'll be leaving the spotlight anytime soon, though.
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I could be wrong but other than a 1/2 hour speech at the RNC and her debate in Oct I doubt she gets much attention.
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