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Old 09-19-2008, 01:26 PM  
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****Official Critical Thinking Thread**** Honestly Critique Your Candidate

I'm creating this thread as a way to actually gauge if some people on this thread have any synaptic power worth saving, or if the hive mind is so far beyond hope, that it is best to become the Don Rickles of DC and function as nothing but an insult poster.


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I support Barack Obama.

Although I support Obama, I have a variety of problems with some of his platforms and previous issue stances. I will henceforth address these:

• Gay Marriage--I wish that he would have taken a more liberal line on this. I understand that he supports civil unions, but I do feel that this is somewhat of a political cop out. You can't say that marriage is a church institution when it has to be recognized by the state in order for it to be valid.

• FISA--I still don't understand why he flipped on this issue. The last thing that we need is to give the government even more authority of surveying our everyday lives. The government works for the people and should not remove the individual's autonomy to conduct him/herself without a court order

• Israel--The United States government gives more aid to Israel than any other country. We sell huge amounts of arms to them, and have privately engineered their entire nuclear program. They act as an antagonist in the region just as much as they are picked on, and our continued meddling in their affairs has led directly the many of the problems we face in the Muslim world. Despite this, both candidates feel compelled to continually support a terrorist state.

• Continued support of the military-industrial complex--one of the biggest problems of our current budget crisis is the fact that we continually spend billions of dollars acquiring new weapons systems so that we can have the best of the best in every aspect of military hardware. This is neither advisable nor sustainable. The United States already has more than enough economic clout as well as military firepower to serve as a deterrent to any nation on earth, yet due to the unnecessary influence of the Iron Triangle, we continue to redistribute wealth from the ordinary citizen to companies that make weapons of death and destruction

•Christianity--I think that Obama wraps too much of his personal rhetoric in Christianity at times. It is nowhere near as copious as George W. Bush, but it is still too much for my personal liking. I respect that he is a man of faith, but I don't feel it necessary for him to mention it as often as he does.

In spite of these qualms (some of them large), I will still vote for Obama, as I feel that he is the best of the candidates in this election, and will be able to deliver on policy that I find most important to me.

I encourage the rest of you to engage in similar acts of intellectual calisthenics, and state areas of contention with your preferred candidate. It might prove enlightening.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:35 PM   #2
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I don't support Obama because:

1. He will have to seriously raise taxes to push through what he proposes especially after this huge bailout.

2. He spent 8 years on the board of the Joyce Foundation spending millions trying to eliminate all civilian ownership of firearms. The man hates for us to have guns period.

3. He is for the mandatory full schedule vaccination of all citizens. THey can stick anything in you and you won't have a choice.

4. He is for legalizing discrimination against whitey. AA

5. His mentor of 20 years says "GOD DAMN AMERICA" and all his homeboys he's been hanging with go crazy in support of the message.

6. There needs to be a balance of power and the Dems would have WAY too much at this point.

Those are the big 6, I will just leave it at that.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:35 PM   #3
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I think we have had this type of thread done before but I will do it again just for you..

I am obviously a supporter of Obama but I disagree with him on:

1. Illegal Immigration - I am a far-right wing nut zealot on this issue. I believe the military should be on the border shooting illegals until they stop coming across. I believe putting a moratorium on legal immigration for 5 years until we can clean up the mess previous administrations have left us.

2. FISA - for all the obvious reasons. Even though he did support an amendment to block immunity for telecoms he should have just not supported the whole bill. The telecoms should be held liable and people should sue so the government could bail them out.

3. Energy - I am lukewarm on his energy policy I believe he needs to be more aggressive in getting us off foregin oil.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:37 PM   #4
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I don't support Obama because:

1. He will have to seriously raise taxes to push through what he proposes especially after this huge bailout.

2. He spent 8 years on the board of the Joyce Foundation spending millions trying to eliminate all civilian ownership of firearms. The man hates for us to have guns period.

3. He is for the mandatory full schedule vaccination of all citizens. THey can stick anything in you and you won't have a choice.

4. He is for legalizing discrimination against whitey. AA

5. His mentor of 20 years says "GOD DAMN AMERICA" and all his homeboys he's been hanging with go crazy in support of the message.

6. There needs to be a balance of power and the Dems would have WAY too much at this point.

Those are the big 6, I will just leave it at that.
You are suppose to critique the person you are supporting not the one you are not.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:38 PM   #5
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I don't support Obama because:

1. He will have to seriously raise taxes to push through what he proposes especially after this huge bailout.

2. He spent 8 years on the board of the Joyce Foundation spending millions trying to eliminate all civilian ownership of firearms. The man hates for us to have guns period.

3. He is for the mandatory full schedule vaccination of all citizens. THey can stick anything in you and you won't have a choice.

4. He is for legalizing discrimination against whitey. AA

5. His mentor of 20 years says "GOD DAMN AMERICA" and all his homeboys he's been hanging with go crazy in support of the message.

6. There needs to be a balance of power and the Dems would have WAY too much at this point.

Those are the big 6, I will just leave it at that.
Are you *****ing mentally retarded?
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:39 PM   #6
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Are you *****ing mentally retarded?
Be nice Holmezz. We are supposed to be critical thinkers in this thread not insult throwers
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:40 PM   #7
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I don't support Obama because:
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:42 PM   #8
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I don't support Obama because:

1. He will have to seriously raise taxes to push through what he proposes especially after this huge bailout.

2. He spent 8 years on the board of the Joyce Foundation spending millions trying to eliminate all civilian ownership of firearms. The man hates for us to have guns period.

3. He is for the mandatory full schedule vaccination of all citizens. THey can stick anything in you and you won't have a choice.

4. He is for legalizing discrimination against whitey. AA

5. His mentor of 20 years says "GOD DAMN AMERICA" and all his homeboys he's been hanging with go crazy in support of the message.

6. There needs to be a balance of power and the Dems would have WAY too much at this point.

Those are the big 6, I will just leave it at that.
Thank you for showing me how much thought you've put into John McCain's stances.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:44 PM   #9
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I don't support Obama because:

1. He will have to seriously raise taxes to push through what he proposes especially after this huge bailout.

2. He spent 8 years on the board of the Joyce Foundation spending millions trying to eliminate all civilian ownership of firearms. The man hates for us to have guns period.

3. He is for the mandatory full schedule vaccination of all citizens. THey can stick anything in you and you won't have a choice.

4. He is for legalizing discrimination against whitey. AA

5. His mentor of 20 years says "GOD DAMN AMERICA" and all his homeboys he's been hanging with go crazy in support of the message.

6. There needs to be a balance of power and the Dems would have WAY too much at this point.

Those are the big 6, I will just leave it at that.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:45 PM   #10
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I support Ron Paul. My critique at this point would be:
1) He has an overly simplistic view of the free-market.
Despite what he says, you do require a safe and secure marketplace. In particular, you need SOMEONE to prevent insider trading and collusion. Otherwise you have a market that is not free, but is a despotism whereby colluding parties can kill companies at a whim and at a hefty profit. This is constitutional in the respect that congress has the power to legislate interstate commerce.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:46 PM   #11
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I don't support Obama because:

1. He will have to seriously raise taxes to push through what he proposes especially after this huge bailout.

2. He spent 8 years on the board of the Joyce Foundation spending millions trying to eliminate all civilian ownership of firearms. The man hates for us to have guns period.

3. He is for the mandatory full schedule vaccination of all citizens. THey can stick anything in you and you won't have a choice.

4. He is for legalizing discrimination against whitey. AA

5. His mentor of 20 years says "GOD DAMN AMERICA" and all his homeboys he's been hanging with go crazy in support of the message.

6. There needs to be a balance of power and the Dems would have WAY too much at this point.

Those are the big 6, I will just leave it at that.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:52 PM   #12
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Thank you for showing me how much thought you've put into John McCain's stances.
I have been pretty clear about the fact that I don't like either. I still think McCain will win even with all the BS going on in the financial markets.

If Obama is the future direction this country is taking I won't be here after the P's pass. I believe the country will experience the mass exodus of America similar the the fasion it is happening in California right now. JMO
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:55 PM   #13
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I have been pretty clear about the fact that I don't like either. I still think McCain will win even with all the BS going on in the financial markets.

If Obama is the future direction this country is taking I won't be here after the P's pass. I believe the country will experience the mass exodus of America similar the the fasion it is happening in California right now. JMO
I'm surprised it didn't happen after dumbya got re-elected.
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I think we have had this type of thread done before but I will do it again just for you..

I am obviously a supporter of Obama but I disagree with him on:

1. Illegal Immigration - I am a far-right wing nut zealot on this issue. I believe the military should be on the border shooting illegals until they stop coming across. I believe putting a moratorium on legal immigration for 5 years until we can clean up the mess previous administrations have left us.
Can either candidate really come out so strong against illegal immigration and expect to win the election? Really for all we know, both could have the same stance as you, but not be able to expess that belief. They would have as much chance of winning if they said "Tax Increase For Everyone", because of the high number of hispanics that are now able to vote.
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Old 09-19-2008, 02:00 PM   #15
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Can either candidate really come out so strong against illegal immigration and expect to win the election? Really for all we know, both could have the same stance as you, but not be able to expess that belief. They would have as much chance of winning if they said "Tax Increase For Everyone", because of the high number of hispanics that are now able to vote.
I am pretty confidant neither Obama or McCain feel like I do.

With that being said IMO if one would take a hard stand on it they would win because it is such a powerful issue in this country. When that amnesty bill that McCain help write was close to passing upwards of 70-80% of Americans were against it.

People in this country feel like we are getting crowded out by all the Hispanics and something has to be done about it.
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