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Toxic Rocket Fuel Chemical In Drinking Water Can Stay Says Government

Toxic Rocket Fuel Chemical In Drinking Water Can Stay Says Government



White House and Pentagon distort the science to protect themselves and their corporate defense contractors from liability on water contamination

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, Sept 23, 2008

The Environmental Protection Agency says there is no need to act on the fact that a toxic rocket fuel ingredient, which has been proven to lead to a loss of IQ and an increase in behavioral and perception problems, has long been present in drinking water across the U.S.
In a remarkable reversal of it’s position, the EPA, has ditched six years of effort into persuading the government that perchlorate contamination poses a serious risk to the public and should be regulated.

Perchlorate, has been found in at least 395 sites in 35 states at levels high enough to interfere with thyroid function and pose developmental health risks, particularly for babies and fetuses, reports AP. The toxic chemical has also been found in lettuce and other foods.

It is used by defense and aerospace contractors in conjunction with the Pentagon in rockets and missiles.

Blogger Rick Attig at the Oregonian succinctly explains why the EPA has suddenly decided to back down and drop it’s efforts to address perchlorate contamination:

It’s obvious what’s going on here. The administration wants nothing to do with a cleanup that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars or more. Nor does the Pentagon want to expose its friendly defense contractors to the costs of cleaning up the contamination they are responsible for leaving behind to seep into drinking water in at least 35 states and the District of Columbia.

Attig also points out that the Bush administration and the Pentagon are preparing to fix the science to justify not regulating perchlorate by setting the maximum contamination level at 15 times the figure the EPA suggested in 2002.

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The revelations first appeared in a Washington Post report Sunday, after the paper received a near final EPA “preliminary regulatory determination” document.

That document revealed that the government opted not to use a National Academy of Science formula for determining safe levels of perchlorate in drinking water, the model preferred by the nation’s top scientists, instead opting to use a computer model developed by the Chemical Industry Institute of Toxicology.

No conflict of interest there then.

The report also revealed that the White House deleted references to scientific studies which highlighted the link between perchlorate’s impact on thyroid function and an irreversible loss of IQ and perception in young people from babies to those in the 20s.

The document estimates that up to 16.6 million Americans are exposed to perchlorate at a level many scientists consider unsafe; independent researchers, using federal and state data, put the number at 20 million to 40 million.

Robert Zoeller, a University of Massachusetts professor who specializes in thyroid hormone and brain development, told reporters that the government amendments to the EPA proposal “have distorted the science to such an extent that they can justify not regulating” the toxic chemical.

“Infants and children will continue to be damaged, and that damage is significant.” Zoeller said.

Perchlorate is just one toxic horror readily found in the drinking water of people all over America. We have previously reported on studies that have found that numerous pharmaceutical drugs, from antidepressants like prozac to sex hormones, currently contaminate the water supplies of millions.

In addition millions more are being being mass-medicated against their will in many water districts by way of sodium fluoride, which is classed as a poison, being added to water supplies without their consent. The latest scientific reports have pointed to strong evidence of the waste chemical’s link to disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland, as well as lowering IQ.

Despite these facts, the government continues to aim to have 75% of American water fluoridated by 2010.

It is now clearly the responsibility of people everywhere to lobby representatives at the state and local levels to implement their own drinking water regulations in response to the combination of negligence, cronyism and downright criminal actions of the federal government on this matter.

Several states have already acted on their own. In 2007, California adopted a drinking water standard of 6 parts per billion for perchlorate, while Massachusetts has set a drinking water standard of 2 parts per billion. Meanwhile other towns and cities across the country have voted to remove fluoride from their water.

Given that states like Pennsylvania have passed laws making it illegal to remove fluoride from a community’s drinking water supply once such fluoridation is started, It is essential that action is taken on this matter before others follow suit.

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Old 09-23-2008, 04:13 PM   #2
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Salts of perchlorate are naturally occurring. It is an oxidizing agent. And I guess it does compete with Iodine function. But I understand it is simple competition so if you increase your Iodine intake you decrease the perchlorate effect. But I am all for better standards. But also I am for Fluoride use though I do think the levels could be lowered. It does have affects on glycogen pathways in liver and stuff. But that is offset by stronger teeth and stuff.
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Salts of perchlorate are naturally occurring. It is an oxidizing agent. And I guess it does compete with Iodine function. But I understand it is simple competition so if you increase your Iodine intake you decrease the perchlorate effect. But I am all for better standards. But also I am for Fluoride use though I do think the levels could be lowered. It does have affects on glycogen pathways in liver and stuff. But that is offset by stronger teeth and stuff.
or dental fluorisis, Fluoride makes your teeth brittle as well as replacing calcium in your bones. What would be wrong with removing it from the water and allowing people who "trust" it to take supplements?
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It does not replace Calcium in your bone. Calcium is a Cation/Metal from the 2nd column. Fluorine is in the Halogen Family, a anion and a non metal. Completely different end of the periodic table. What Fluorine as Fluoride does is it is a stronger bonding constituent. Brittleness is technically related to strength. So an increase in brittleness is related to increase strength.
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It does not replace Calcium in your bone. Calcium is a Cation/Metal from the 2nd column. Fluorine is in the Halogen Family, a anion and a non metal. Completely different end of the periodic table. What Fluorine as Fluoride does is it is a stronger bonding constituent. Brittleness is technically related to strength. So an increase in brittleness is related to increase strength.
What are the long-term effects of ingesting fluoride on our bones?
Fluoride is a bioaccumulator and is toxic to bones

The results of more than five epidemiological studies indicate increased hip fractures in both naturally and artificially fluoridated areas. The incidence of hip fracture is also increasing more rapidly than can be accounted for by aging of the population. There are numerous studies which undeniably prove that fluoride's cumulative effect on bone is devastating. It is well known that chronic ingestion of fluoride can cause osteofluorosis or skeletal fluorosis (crippling bone disease). This evidence has been reported in at least nine studies from five countries (contrary to promoters' denials, this occurs even at relatively "low" water fluoride levels). Moreover, according to the World Health Organization, individuals consuming between 2.0 - 8.0 mg of fluoride/day (2-8 litres of fluoridated water), can develop the pre-clinical symptoms of skeletal fluorosis (arthritis-like symptoms). As recently reported by the U.S. PHS, many women living in fluoridated communities are now ingesting up to 6.6 mg of fluoride per day, a crippling dose for some if maintained (see fluoride.htm and skeletal.htm for more info and chart on daily fluoride intakes).

It is widely recognised that fluoride "therapy" for osteoporosis adds mass to bones but produces inferior bone -- at least seven studies found structural abnormalities or mineralization defects. In short, the biomechanical competence of the skeleton may be compromised because the tensile (elasticity) strength of bone is sacrificed. These studies not only show that fluoride may cause increased skeletal fragility (more non-vertebral fractures such as hip), but that it can lead to osteomalacia (another bone disease). The relevance to fluoridation is:


short-term high-dose fluoride studies show the same amount of fluoride accumulates in the bones of osteoporosis patients as would be found in some people who are chronically exposed to long-term "low" doses of fluoride (such as in fluoridated areas). People with renal insufficiency, for example, can incorporate four times more fluoride into bone than an average healthy individual and would therefore be more susceptible to the long-term effects of drinking "optimally" fluoridated water than the average individual (see Toxicological Profile For Fluorides, Hydrogen Fluoride, and Fluorine, by the U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry).

Evidence of more bone damage is seen in a NJ Department of Health study, a U.S. National Cancer Institute study, a rodent study by the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP), and a Polish study which examined the bones of children with dental fluorosis using new radiographic techniques. The two epidemiological studies found increased osteosarcoma rates in young men in fluoridated areas. Osteosarcoma is a rare bone cancer which mostly originates in the growing end of bones. It is more prevalent among young males 10-19 years of age and seems to occur 1.4 times more often in males than in females. Girls are at risk at an earlier age because their adolescent growth spurt occurs before that of boys. The NTP animal study found dose-related occurrences of osteosarcomas in male rats. Polish scientists discovered bone abnormalities in male children with fluorosis. How much evidence must accumulate before authorities here acknowledge what many foreign scientists have already done years ago -- fluoride is one of the most bone-seeking elements known to man and long-term ingestion is toxic to bones even in the so-called "low" doses.

Note: see also definit.htm for more info on osteoporosis and other bone diseases.




Editorial, Official "Safe" Fluoride Intakes Based On Arithmetic Error, FLUORIDE, 1997, 30:4



ABSTRACTS
Alhava EM, Olkkonen H, Kauranen P, Kari T, The effect of drinking water fluoridation on the fluoride content, strength and mineral density of human bone. Acta Orthop Scand, 1980 June, 51 (3): 413-420.

The effect of drinking water fluoridation on the fluoride content of human bone, on cancellous bone strength and on the mineral density of bone was studied by analysing 158 autopsy samples of the anterior iliac crest from persons from two different areas. In the samples from the town of Kuopio, where drinking water has been fluoridated since 1959, the fluoride concentrations were considerably higher than in samples from the surrounding area where low-fluoride drinking water is used. The fluoride content of bones from Kuopio increased significantly with age, while considerably less change with age was found in samples from outside Kuopio. The highest fluoride content in bone ash was observed in women with severe osteoporosis. Cancellous bone strength measured by a strain transducer was statistically significantly higher in women with chronic immobilizing disease from Kuopio, compared with the corresponding group from outside Kuopio. No statistically significant differences in bone strength were found in men. There were no statistically significant differences in bone mineral density, as measured by gamma ray attenuation, between the samples from the fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas.

Bayley TA, Harrison JE, Murray TM, Josse RG, Sturtridge W, Pritzker KP, Strauss A, Vieth R, Goodwin S, Fluoride-induced fractures: relation to osteogenic effect. J Bone Mineral Research, 1990 March, 5 Suppl 1: S217-S222.

The possible effects of fluoride in inducing fractures were studied in 61 patients treated with sodium fluoride (NaF), 40-60 mg daily in combination with calcium and vitamin D. Nine patients developed the fluoride-(F) related lower extremity pain syndrome. Four other patients had stress fractures associated with trauma. Seven of the 61 patients had 10 upper femur fractures of which 5 were stress fractures. The bone mineral mass of the central skeleton including the hips was measured by neutron activation and the results expressed as a calcium bone index (CaBI) which normalizes the results to that of young adults of the same body size (normal range 0.75-1.2). At the time of hip fracture, 4 patients with a minimal increase in bone mass (mean delta CaBI 0.01) had 4 femur fractures and 3 patients with a marked increase (mean delta CaBI 0.24) had 6. The 7 patients with upper femur fractures at 4 years had a significantly higher bone fluoride retention, 30 mg/g Ca compared with 23.9 mg/g Ca for the other 54 (p less than 0.02) and were older, 73.1 versus 64.2 years (p less than 0.01). Using all 61 fluoride-treated patients, femur fractures/patient were significantly correlated to bone fluoride (p less than 0.05) and to age (p less than 0.05). By partial correlation, only the correlation between hip fractures/patient and bone fluoride remained significant after controlling for the effect of age (p less than 0.05). These results suggest that fluoride therapy may be implicated in the pathogenesis of hip fractures which may occur in treated patients despite a rapid, marked increase in bone mass. The lower extremity pain syndrome is not frequently associated with stress fractures in this study.

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Alhava EM, Olkkonen H, Kauranen P, Kari T, The effect of drinking water fluoridation on the fluoride content, strength and mineral density of human bone. Acta Orthop Scand, 1980 June, 51 (3): 413-420.

The effect of drinking water fluoridation on the fluoride content of human bone, on cancellous bone strength and on the mineral density of bone was studied by analysing 158 autopsy samples of the anterior iliac crest from persons from two different areas. In the samples from the town of Kuopio, where drinking water has been fluoridated since 1959, the fluoride concentrations were considerably higher than in samples from the surrounding area where low-fluoride drinking water is used. The fluoride content of bones from Kuopio increased significantly with age, while considerably less change with age was found in samples from outside Kuopio. The highest fluoride content in bone ash was observed in women with severe osteoporosis. Cancellous bone strength measured by a strain transducer was statistically significantly higher in women with chronic immobilizing disease from Kuopio, compared with the corresponding group from outside Kuopio. No statistically significant differences in bone strength were found in men. There were no statistically significant differences in bone mineral density, as measured by gamma ray attenuation, between the samples from the fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas.

Bayley TA, Harrison JE, Murray TM, Josse RG, Sturtridge W, Pritzker KP, Strauss A, Vieth R, Goodwin S, Fluoride-induced fractures: relation to osteogenic effect. J Bone Mineral Research, 1990 March, 5 Suppl 1: S217-S222.

The possible effects of fluoride in inducing fractures were studied in 61 patients treated with sodium fluoride (NaF), 40-60 mg daily in combination with calcium and vitamin D. Nine patients developed the fluoride-(F) related lower extremity pain syndrome. Four other patients had stress fractures associated with trauma. Seven of the 61 patients had 10 upper femur fractures of which 5 were stress fractures. The bone mineral mass of the central skeleton including the hips was measured by neutron activation and the results expressed as a calcium bone index (CaBI) which normalizes the results to that of young adults of the same body size (normal range 0.75-1.2). At the time of hip fracture, 4 patients with a minimal increase in bone mass (mean delta CaBI 0.01) had 4 femur fractures and 3 patients with a marked increase (mean delta CaBI 0.24) had 6. The 7 patients with upper femur fractures at 4 years had a significantly higher bone fluoride retention, 30 mg/g Ca compared with 23.9 mg/g Ca for the other 54 (p less than 0.02) and were older, 73.1 versus 64.2 years (p less than 0.01). Using all 61 fluoride-treated patients, femur fractures/patient were significantly correlated to bone fluoride (p less than 0.05) and to age (p less than 0.05). By partial correlation, only the correlation between hip fractures/patient and bone fluoride remained significant after controlling for the effect of age (p less than 0.05). These results suggest that fluoride therapy may be implicated in the pathogenesis of hip fractures which may occur in treated patients despite a rapid, marked increase in bone mass. The lower extremity pain syndrome is not frequently associated with stress fractures in this study.

http://www.fluoridation.com/bones.htm
Let's start with your first abstract which states that no effect was found in MEN. This leads to the question about WOMEN and Calcium lost. While there does seem to be the suggestion that the remaining bone structure is overly represented by Fluoride and that it has a higher incident of fracture in WOMEN, the immediate concern is the metabolic effects of estrogen in protecting calcium in elderly women. Therefore Fluoride is not the primary suspect. And in absence of the hormonal suspect does not indicate adverse effects.

The second abstract is talking about Fluoride as a treatment. The levels of Fluoride are MUCH higher than found in normal drinking water levels of fluoridated water. And since I don't know much about why you would treat with Fluoride except it implies it INCREASES bone mass rapidly. That the treatment is too fast isn't discussed. In biological systems you have to have the pathways all well represented in order to have a systematic and good outcomes.

Both of these are poor examples for you complaint about Fluoride.

And as far as perchlorates, you have to go to Reverse Osmosis in order to start reducing the concentration. And while I like that idea forcing it on everyone without funds to support that doesn't work.
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Perchlorate is a naturally occuring substance in soils. Its more concentrated in some areas.
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I tell the story about cleaning up an old Chemical Storage Room. I found a discolored Perchloric Acid bottle, most likey organic contamination. That requires you call in the bomb squad. However as a salt (perchlorate) the oxidizing effect is greatly reduced. Enough so that it can be used to recruit Oxygen for reactions in a controlled manner. So it depends upon how you bowel it up.
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Fluoridation? World expert says 'It’s an American crackpot idea from the ’50s'
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ONE of the world’s leading experts on fluoride paid a flying visit to Southampton to join in the Great Fluoride Debate.

Dr Paul Connett is vehemently opposed to fluoridation and has jetted into the city all the way from his home in New York to add his powerful voice to the consultation on plans to add fluoride to the city’s tap water.

Southampton City Primary Care Trust wants to see the city’s water supplies fluoridated to improve dental health.

Dr Connett, director of Fluoride Action Network and a retired professor of chemistry at St Lawrence University in New York State, has spoken at conferences worldwide on fluoride since he began researching its health impact 12 years ago.

Most of the United States’ water supplies are fluoridated in a medical practice designed to improve children’s dental health.

Dr Connett told the Daily Echo: “Fluoridation is a clumsy form of medication. It’s attractive because you do not have to take any trouble to educate parents.

“But you are giving it to people who are sensitive to it and people who don’t want it. That’s very arrogant.

“There is a far stronger relationship between tooth decay and standard of living than you will ever find between tooth decay and fluoride.

Fluoride lowers IQ “The answer should be to target the kids that are most vulnerable, in low income families, and make sure the pregnant women in these areas are getting a good diet.”

Dr Connett is keen to see in-depth studies into fluoridation’s side effects.

“Fluoridation is an American crackpot idea from the 1950s,” he said. “It was a huge gamble. They knew one thing in 1950 and that was that if they put fluoride in the water, it would increase the number of children with dental fluorosis, which they thought was an acceptable trade off. The gamble was whether fluoride could do that to the growing teeth cells without damaging any other tissue.

“Countries that have had fluoridation since 1950 have never done the basic studies to check this hypothesis out.

“The other half of the scandal is that countries that have not done studies are ignoring studies from countries that do not fluoridate their water but have naturally high levels of fluoride.

“Fluoride causes health problems, damaging the bones and the brain. There have also been 23 studies done in China, India, Iran and Mexico showing fluoride lowers IQ levels in children.

“The health experts say they have been fluoridating for 50 years and if there were any problems we would know about them by now. But if you don’t study it properly, you don’t notice the subtle changes.

“No British authorities are studying the link between fluoride and lower IQ levels, and they are ignoring all the studies from the other countries.”

Dr Connett called for an open debate: “Now is the time to challenge the strategic health authority to demonstrate objectivity by having a balanced debate. I am prepared to do it.”

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