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Old 10-12-2008, 09:13 AM  
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ACORN is a real piece of work. This is from the Manhattan Institute.

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While Acorn now operates in more than 100 cities with a national budget of $37 million, it never truly left behind the welfare-rights mentality. One is hard-pressed to find in the organization's many antipoverty initiatives any programs that address social dysfunctions like illegitimacy and single parenthood. Instead, as Acorn's executive director, Steven Kest, said several years ago, "We are more focused on irresponsible behavior in the corporate sector. I don't think [illegitimacy] comes anywhere close to the irresponsible behavior of people running the largest businesses in this country."
While CRA spurred Acorn's growth, the "living wage" is the group's most successful local issue. In the early '90s, advocates persuaded Baltimore to require city government contractors to pay salaries substantially above the federal minimum wage; the campaign caught the attention of Acorn just when the Gingrich Congress was coming into power with a conservative agenda. Stymied in Washington, Acorn decided instead it would work city by city, starting in the most liberal places, to enact local wage legislation. Partnering with Wayne State University's publicly funded labor studies program, Acorn set up a national living-wage center to help coordinate campaigns. Some 125 municipalities have since passed living-wage legislation.
The movement is not always what it appears to be. Though Acorn touts living-wage laws as a way to lift the working poor into the middle class, the vast body of academic work on wage laws shows that they end up hurting the poor by forcing businesses to eliminate some low-wage jobs. Acorn's own leadership understands this principle perfectly. When California regulators sued Acorn for not paying its own workers the minimum wage, Acorn argued that this would endanger its mission—because it would have to hire fewer workers.
This is astounding considering homes headed by a single parent is the #1 cause of poverty in the US.

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Obama Had a Close Relationship with the "Anti-Capitalist" Group ACORN - "Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn)...Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance...Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National Review
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:08 AM   #2
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Here is the truth about ACORN, John. Since you are supposedly a Christian (I've yet to see any evidence in your hate and lie filled posts, but ok...) I thought you might want to start telling the truth about them.

ACORN

Perhaps the most misreported story is the ACORN story. It is shocking much difference there is between the actual story and the reported story. The story is that ACORN is piling up fraudulent voters. The suggestion is that all of these fraudulent voters are going to steal the election for Obama. Here’s what you need to need to know about this story.

* ACORN is an agency which registers new voters, both Republicans and Democrats. They are a non-partisan group.
* ACORN, as well as any agency which does get out the vote drives, is required by law to turn in all registration forms.
* ACORN tries to verify the contact information of every single card. Those that aren’t verified are “flagged” and kept in a separate stack.
* ACORN notified authorities that they had a large number of potentially fraudulent cards and were ignored until they were “raided” recently.
* The reason that such a high percentage of those being reviewed are being found to be fraudulent is because they are reviewing the stacks of flagged cards.
* Overall 99.8 percent of the 1.2 million voters ACORN has registered are legitimate.

Sorry if the truth goes against your beliefs, but the truth is the truth and you should tell it. Jesus would.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:28 AM   #3
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Here is the truth about ACORN, John. Since you are supposedly a Christian (I've yet to see any evidence in your hate and lie filled posts, but ok...) I thought you might want to start telling the truth about them.

ACORN

Perhaps the most misreported story is the ACORN story. It is shocking much difference there is between the actual story and the reported story. The story is that ACORN is piling up fraudulent voters. The suggestion is that all of these fraudulent voters are going to steal the election for Obama. Here’s what you need to need to know about this story.

* ACORN is an agency which registers new voters, both Republicans and Democrats. They are a non-partisan group.
* ACORN, as well as any agency which does get out the vote drives, is required by law to turn in all registration forms.
* ACORN tries to verify the contact information of every single card. Those that aren’t verified are “flagged” and kept in a separate stack.
* ACORN notified authorities that they had a large number of potentially fraudulent cards and were ignored until they were “raided” recently.
* The reason that such a high percentage of those being reviewed are being found to be fraudulent is because they are reviewing the stacks of flagged cards.
* Overall 99.8 percent of the 1.2 million voters ACORN has registered are legitimate.

Sorry if the truth goes against your beliefs, but the truth is the truth and you should tell it. Jesus would.
Complete pwnage, though I doubt KCJ will acknowledge its existence unless he posts some more right wing-sourced cut and pastes in lieu of a reply on the merits.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:31 AM   #4
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Complete pwnage, though I doubt KCJ will acknowledge its existence unless he posts some more right wing-sourced cut and pastes in lieu of a reply on the merits.
Yeah, I guess he has gotten that predictable.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:33 AM   #5
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:34 AM   #6
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...the "living wage" is the group's most successful local issue.
Flat out communism.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:35 AM   #7
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Flat out communism.
You really would have been a good Red Scare facilitator. Perhaps even McCarthy himself.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:50 AM   #8
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Complete pwnage, though I doubt KCJ will acknowledge its existence unless he posts some more right wing-sourced cut and pastes in lieu of a reply on the merits.
Complete ignorance of the actual facts. ACORN may look legit in your little internet bubble, but middle America is outraged.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:50 AM   #9
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:51 AM   #10
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Complete ignorance of the actual facts. ACORN may look legit in your little internet bubble, but middle America is outraged.
Middle America is outraged that you speak on behalf of them.
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Middle America is outraged that you speak on behalf of them.
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How the **** do you know what Middle America is thinking? You are clear across the world, don't profess to know what others are thinking, you freakin' holier than-thou twat.
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Old 10-12-2008, 11:50 AM   #13
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This is astounding considering homes headed by a single parent is the #1 cause of poverty in the US.
What a worthless statement. Its on par with saying, "The majority of all accidents happen within 5 miles of the home." If the majority of households need two incomes to get by, then statistically speaking, single income households have a greater chance of being below the poverty line. What does the Right say about that:

"Make abortions illegal, birth control unavailable through welfare, and preach the virtues of abstinence over real sex education". Oh yeah, then act surprised and dismayed when single parenthood goes up. Single parenthood is a problem, but the Right always has a reactive disgust, not a proactive attempt to address it. Thanks for your outrage.

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This is astounding considering homes headed by a single parent is the #1 cause of poverty in the US.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This was a great line even by your standards.
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What a worthless statement. Its on par with saying, "The majority of all accidents happen within 5 miles of the home." If the majority of households need two incomes to get by, then statistically speaking, single income households have a greater chance of being below the poverty line. What does the Right say about that:

"Make abortions illegal, birth control unavailable through welfare, and preach the virtues of abstinence over real sex education". Oh yeah, then act surprised and dismayed when single parenthood goes up. Single parenthood is a problem, but the Right always has a reactive disgust, not a proactive attempt to address it. Thanks for your outrage.

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