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Old 10-13-2008, 01:08 PM  
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The Myth of ACORN fraud: They are required to turn in bogus forms.

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I don't know why this didn't occur to me sooner, but in reading a story about this the other day, I read that ACORN is required by law (and rightly so) to turn in every single registration they collect, even the obviously bogus ones. They aren't allowed to thorw away registrations.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem..._the_acorn.php
In many states, ACORN is required by law to turn in all the forms it collects, though the law differs from state to law, according to experts.

ACORN has consistently said that it flags suspicious forms for election officials. Indeed, in Nevada where last week an ACORN office was raided in an investigation headed by the Secretary of State, ACORN was already cooperating with authorities.

According to a statement from the group which has not been disputed by state officials, in July, ACORN set up a meeting with county elections officials and the Secretary of State's office to urge them to take action on information ACORN had provided. Since then, "ACORN has provided officials with copies and--in some cases--second copies of many of the personnel records and the 'problem card packages' and cover sheets with which we originally identified the problem cards."
The other connection is that the Republicans US Attorney Generals that were fired by Karl Rove, were largely fired for refusing to bring up trumped up charges of voter registration fraud against ACORN or other organizations.
It's also worth noting that similar allegations were made against ACORN in the last few election cycles, and several investigations were conducted, none of which found evidence of widespread voter fraud. Many of these were conducted by US attorneys, who were pressured by GOP political figures to investigate the issue, then fired after they failed to come up with sufficient evidence.
Both above taken from TPM here:

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Old 10-13-2008, 01:15 PM   #2
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Then what is the purpose of them getting multiple registrations from the same person or complete fakes?

All this crap about the ACORN employees are paid by the number of voters they turn in . Does ACORN pay them for these bogus forms ?

FTR, ACORN is clearly on the OBAMa side of this election.

I would like to know the number of democrats and republicans that are signed up by ACORN.
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Old 10-13-2008, 01:17 PM   #3
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Old 10-13-2008, 01:22 PM   #4
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Then what is the purpose of them getting multiple registrations from the same person or complete fakes?
Cost of doing business. They pay people to register voters. Some of those people steal from ACORN but sitting on their ass and filling out blank forms with BS names, and then turning them in to collect a paycheck.

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All this crap about the ACORN employees are paid by the number of voters they turn in . Does ACORN pay them for these bogus forms ?
These aren't the worlds greatest employees, we are talking about. They are manual labor jobs. They might not ultimately get paid for the document, but ACORN can't throw them away once they have them.
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FTR, ACORN is clearly on the OBAMa side of this election.
Yes, that's why Republicans are trying to destroy them.
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I would like to know the number of democrats and republicans that are signed up by ACORN.
Fair question, and the very reason they can't throw away any registrations. Otherwise they would throw away Repubilcans and keep Dems only. But I'm sure they are registering more Dems by a wide margin because they are targeting low income voters by zipcode.
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Old 10-13-2008, 01:24 PM   #5
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That's what the Republican AGs seem to be saying.
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Old 10-13-2008, 02:25 PM   #6
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:50 PM   #7
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I didn't even bother to argue this point from the start because I knew it would have been useless. But the Nevada offices that were raided had turned bogus registration forms in accordance with their obligations prior to being raided. Those submissions were used as the justification for the raid.

My opinion is that the republican establishment is trying to preemptively discredit voter turnout before the election. They've already successfully undermined polling and the exit polls in previous elections. IMO, it's all intended to cast doubt on the democratic process, as well as, justify their voter suppression campaign.
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Old 10-14-2008, 05:40 AM   #8
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Is there anything they do that Jaz cannot justify? This is just stupid.
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:25 AM   #9
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Then what is the purpose of them getting multiple registrations from the same person or complete fakes?
What I was wonderin'. It seems to be the people collecting the registrations are cheating in order to get paid. What does this say about these people?

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All this crap about the ACORN employees are paid by the number of voters they turn in . Does ACORN pay them for these bogus forms ?
If they do, then it would tell us a lot. And why are they being paid this way ( on supposed to be on production and merit if no cheating)...instead of a living wage for them?
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:57 AM   #10
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:21 AM   #12
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Once again, the hapless Berracko Obama has been fooled by what he originally thought were nice people. It seems that ACORN, the voter fraud machine running rampant through America, is not the ACORN the poor Berracko thought it was. So, just like Wright, and Ayers, and Resko, and the many other associations that were not really associations even though he was associated with them, but not really associated because if you were to say they were associated you would then be considered a racist and associated with racists, ACORN has now joined the ever-increasing list of people and organizations Berracko is distancing himself from.

The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn, claiming Mr. Obama never organized with it and has nothing to do with illegal voter registration. Yet it's disingenuous to channel cash into an operation with a history of fraud and then claim you're shocked to discover reports of fraud. As with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, Mr. Obama was happy to associate with Acorn when it suited his purposes. But now that he's on the brink of the Presidency, he wants to disavow his ties.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:08 AM   #14
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