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Obama and "white guilt"
Posted by FeargalX on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:35:01 PM

Unlike most white Americans, Obama should possibly feel guilty for his white slaveholding ancestors. While Obama had multiple white slaveholding ancestors in the mid 19th Century, about half of my ancestors were literally starving in the poorest part of Ireland – the West Coast. Oops, I suppose that factual statement is probably "racist."

Obama possesses such a degree of white hatred that he ignores the good that his “white grandmother” did for him – and compared his ranting former preacher, Jeremiah Wright. Like Obama, it is pretty clear that Wright possesses significant European blood – his skin is as light as many “white” people’s skin. Once again, merely stating this point is "racist."

What basis does Wright and Obama have to ridicule America? Has America participated in a directed act of genocide (American Ind? Did America starve a majority of its citizens? Did we ever have mass executions?

While John Lewis points to the “atmosphere” that caused four in the mid-1960s black girls to die in a church bombing – how does that compare with the 1972 mass shootings of Irish in Derry for non-violent protests? 14 died in that action – brought about by the British government – not rogue actors like those in Birmingham.

Was Jim Crow worse than WWII concentration camps? Was it worse than the Japanese POW camps?

Was it worse to be a slave in America than to be in the Ukraine in the 1930s? Was it worse being a slave than being in Ireland under the reign of Cromwell (well, actually some of these people were sold into Slavery in the Americas – but most died via mass killings).

The hostility and lies (and exaggerations) that pass for history on television and schools is shameful. The guilt that it engenders is as shameful as urinating on the graves of my (and many others) ancestors.

Obama’s world view is what it is. It is the same view as Jeremiah Wright’s. Otherwise, Obama simply would have attended another church the first time he heard a sermon. Wright’s sermons are basically all the same – white people did this, white people did that, the U.S. government created AIDS to kill blacks, God Da** America! The US of KKK. History is ignored, and a slap of a black person is the equivalent of an execution someone white.

Despite the fact that the Klan killed many Catholic whites including Priests and tried to invade and take over the Notre Dame Campus – all of us whites are to blame for the Klan.

Wright and Obama are bigots – perhaps because of their own white blood – perhaps because Hitler may have been part Jewish – whatever the reason – such beliefs should disqualify a candidate. We need to move away from this fixation -- it is a false reality. Also, clearly there is a racial problem with targeted violence against whites in cities and in prisons -- the numbers are what they are. But these acts are excused -- or explained away with comments like "you shouldn't have gone in that bad neighborhood" or "serves you right for getting in trouble leading to prison." What on earth has triggered these bigoted beliefs?

Keep in mind, this mindset possessed by Obama and his cohorts have successfully tagged both Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro as “racists.” In the mass media, those attacks have largely stuck. Of course, simply stating a fact has become "racist."

What is the real danger of Obama? Mid-level appointees. Obama will appoint perhaps thousands of people in positions of power with viewpoints which mirror Ayers and Wright. Nobody pays much attention to these appointees, but they carry lots of individual power. They determine who is prosecuted, what companies get sued for "discrimination," what government contracting quotas ought to be, who gets promoted in government, what numbers of "minority" hires a company must have to do business with the government, the "racial sensitivity training" that people must go through, what beliefs are tolerated in school, working for government or doing business with government.

Under Obama, we will be subject to more racist lies about “white” history. Do not be surprised if hate speech (of course only certain types) will be a prosecutable offense.

Another example would be racially motivated prosecutions like the one that happened at Duke University. No evidence is needed – lives can easily be ruined. However, if it fits some politically correct paradigm -- prosecute first -- forget the consequences. The Agenda is what matters, not the truth. According to these politically correct people "people must pay" based upon what "they" look like. It matters not what historical connection one has (or does not have) to slavery -- if it did Obama would be attacked for his slaveholding ancestors. Apparently, the connection that matters is that "someone looks like a slaveholder."

Under Obama, more strict racial quotas will be put in effect, and public education will mandate more volatile hatred for America and the evil “white people” who started America.

At this point, it is now quite clear that McCain will not win. This is his fault – nobody else is to blame. McCain took Wright and Obama’s church off the table – and the comments about Obama's “racist” grandma. The Ayers connection is nowhere near as strong as Wright. Ultimately, it will not work.

Other likely policies will include firm quotas in education and in contracting (they are pretty firm already). Also, being very supportive of public prayer for Muslims in public schools and government buildings – but all Christian accommodations would be barred.

Don’t count on being able to keep your guns. Obama will likely use some “militia group” as an excuse to go after all “assault weapons” and handguns. Obama stated in a questionnaire that he believed handguns should be banned in 1996 – I would be surprised if he personally felt differently from this.

Sure, if crime happens you can call the police – they certainly will have the coroner come to pick up your dead body and perhaps do a “work up” of the crime scene.

No Presidential Candidate even comes close to the radical nature of Obama. While Bill Clinton may have been a leftwing youth – he was protesting against the Vietnam War (which did have a lot of negatives) and protesting for civil rights (which were needed). Many of the ideas that Clinton had in the 1960s are pretty mainstream today.

Obama grew up in the late 1970s and early 1980s when Civil Rights had already been adopted (and quotas were already in place) – we no longer had a draft. Yet, Obama associated with left-wing students who supported the Soviet Union over the United States. I remember these people quite well – they would deny the Soviet atrocities under Stalin, deny the East block Soviet controlled empire and would say that we should have let North Korea win the Korean war (you could make the case that war saved more people than almost any war other than WWII in American history – just think how a unified Communist Korea would be – starving, no political rights, no innovation and economic success).

Obama has chosen his associates. His church is the longest affiliation – 20 years. It is also the most direct connection – Obama was not nearly as close with Ayers as he was with Wright. Remember, Wright was like a family member who he wrote a book that was inspired by him. But since McCain is “afraid” of the race issue, McCain will only raise the Ayers issue.

It is ironic, but it is clear that ignoring Wright is a matter of race – and the emphasis on Ayers is the same thing -- fear because of Wright's race.

Unfortunately, it is probably too late for McCain – the media is calling it desperate and (ironically enough) racist.
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Obama and "white guilt"
Posted by FeargalX on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:35:01 PM

Unlike most white Americans, Obama should possibly feel guilty for his white slaveholding ancestors. While Obama had multiple white slaveholding ancestors in the mid 19th Century, about half of my ancestors were literally starving in the poorest part of Ireland – the West Coast. Oops, I suppose that factual statement is probably "racist."

Obama possesses such a degree of white hatred that he ignores the good that his “white grandmother” did for him – and compared his ranting former preacher, Jeremiah Wright. Like Obama, it is pretty clear that Wright possesses significant European blood – his skin is as light as many “white” people’s skin. Once again, merely stating this point is "racist."

What basis does Wright and Obama have to ridicule America? Has America participated in a directed act of genocide (American Ind? Did America starve a majority of its citizens? Did we ever have mass executions?

While John Lewis points to the “atmosphere” that caused four in the mid-1960s black girls to die in a church bombing – how does that compare with the 1972 mass shootings of Irish in Derry for non-violent protests? 14 died in that action – brought about by the British government – not rogue actors like those in Birmingham.

Was Jim Crow worse than WWII concentration camps? Was it worse than the Japanese POW camps?

Was it worse to be a slave in America than to be in the Ukraine in the 1930s? Was it worse being a slave than being in Ireland under the reign of Cromwell (well, actually some of these people were sold into Slavery in the Americas – but most died via mass killings).

The hostility and lies (and exaggerations) that pass for history on television and schools is shameful. The guilt that it engenders is as shameful as urinating on the graves of my (and many others) ancestors.

Obama’s world view is what it is. It is the same view as Jeremiah Wright’s. Otherwise, Obama simply would have attended another church the first time he heard a sermon. Wright’s sermons are basically all the same – white people did this, white people did that, the U.S. government created AIDS to kill blacks, God Da** America! The US of KKK. History is ignored, and a slap of a black person is the equivalent of an execution someone white.

Despite the fact that the Klan killed many Catholic whites including Priests and tried to invade and take over the Notre Dame Campus – all of us whites are to blame for the Klan.

Wright and Obama are bigots – perhaps because of their own white blood – perhaps because Hitler may have been part Jewish – whatever the reason – such beliefs should disqualify a candidate. We need to move away from this fixation -- it is a false reality. Also, clearly there is a racial problem with targeted violence against whites in cities and in prisons -- the numbers are what they are. But these acts are excused -- or explained away with comments like "you shouldn't have gone in that bad neighborhood" or "serves you right for getting in trouble leading to prison." What on earth has triggered these bigoted beliefs?

Keep in mind, this mindset possessed by Obama and his cohorts have successfully tagged both Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro as “racists.” In the mass media, those attacks have largely stuck. Of course, simply stating a fact has become "racist."

What is the real danger of Obama? Mid-level appointees. Obama will appoint perhaps thousands of people in positions of power with viewpoints which mirror Ayers and Wright. Nobody pays much attention to these appointees, but they carry lots of individual power. They determine who is prosecuted, what companies get sued for "discrimination," what government contracting quotas ought to be, who gets promoted in government, what numbers of "minority" hires a company must have to do business with the government, the "racial sensitivity training" that people must go through, what beliefs are tolerated in school, working for government or doing business with government.

Under Obama, we will be subject to more racist lies about “white” history. Do not be surprised if hate speech (of course only certain types) will be a prosecutable offense.

Another example would be racially motivated prosecutions like the one that happened at Duke University. No evidence is needed – lives can easily be ruined. However, if it fits some politically correct paradigm -- prosecute first -- forget the consequences. The Agenda is what matters, not the truth. According to these politically correct people "people must pay" based upon what "they" look like. It matters not what historical connection one has (or does not have) to slavery -- if it did Obama would be attacked for his slaveholding ancestors. Apparently, the connection that matters is that "someone looks like a slaveholder."

Under Obama, more strict racial quotas will be put in effect, and public education will mandate more volatile hatred for America and the evil “white people” who started America.

At this point, it is now quite clear that McCain will not win. This is his fault – nobody else is to blame. McCain took Wright and Obama’s church off the table – and the comments about Obama's “racist” grandma. The Ayers connection is nowhere near as strong as Wright. Ultimately, it will not work.

Other likely policies will include firm quotas in education and in contracting (they are pretty firm already). Also, being very supportive of public prayer for Muslims in public schools and government buildings – but all Christian accommodations would be barred.

Don’t count on being able to keep your guns. Obama will likely use some “militia group” as an excuse to go after all “assault weapons” and handguns. Obama stated in a questionnaire that he believed handguns should be banned in 1996 – I would be surprised if he personally felt differently from this.

Sure, if crime happens you can call the police – they certainly will have the coroner come to pick up your dead body and perhaps do a “work up” of the crime scene.

No Presidential Candidate even comes close to the radical nature of Obama. While Bill Clinton may have been a leftwing youth – he was protesting against the Vietnam War (which did have a lot of negatives) and protesting for civil rights (which were needed). Many of the ideas that Clinton had in the 1960s are pretty mainstream today.

Obama grew up in the late 1970s and early 1980s when Civil Rights had already been adopted (and quotas were already in place) – we no longer had a draft. Yet, Obama associated with left-wing students who supported the Soviet Union over the United States. I remember these people quite well – they would deny the Soviet atrocities under Stalin, deny the East block Soviet controlled empire and would say that we should have let North Korea win the Korean war (you could make the case that war saved more people than almost any war other than WWII in American history – just think how a unified Communist Korea would be – starving, no political rights, no innovation and economic success).

Obama has chosen his associates. His church is the longest affiliation – 20 years. It is also the most direct connection – Obama was not nearly as close with Ayers as he was with Wright. Remember, Wright was like a family member who he wrote a book that was inspired by him. But since McCain is “afraid” of the race issue, McCain will only raise the Ayers issue.

It is ironic, but it is clear that ignoring Wright is a matter of race – and the emphasis on Ayers is the same thing -- fear because of Wright's race.

Unfortunately, it is probably too late for McCain – the media is calling it desperate and (ironically enough) racist.
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Obama’s world view is what it is. It is the same view as Jeremiah Wright’s. Otherwise, Obama simply would have attended another church the first time he heard a sermon. Wright’s sermons are basically all the same – white people did this, white people did that, the U.S. government created AIDS to kill blacks, God Da** America! The US of KKK. History is ignored, and a slap of a black person is the equivalent of an execution someone white.
I tried... I really tried, to read this with an open mind...till I got to this.

This paragraph it an outright lie. It's false. There's no other way to say it. The author has made up her own "facts" in order to make a flimsy point.
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I tried... I really tried, to read this with an open mind...till I got to this.

This paragraph it an outright lie. It's false. There's no other way to say it. The author has made up her own "facts" in order to make a flimsy point.
Do you really believe that the tape we have of Wright saying what he said was the first time that he said such things while "preaching"?
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Do you really believe that the tape we have of Wright saying what he said was the first time that he said such things while "preaching"?
First time?
I don't know...neither do you...nor does anyone but him, and possibly his congregation.

That is a far cry, though, from "His sermons are basically all the same."

When all this blew up, my wife mentioned to me that this guy was a pretty nationally famous preacher, and she actually studied a lot of his stuff in seminary. So I took some time and actually listened/read A) to the entire sermons the clips came from, and B) quite a few other of his sermons. I firmly believe the "God damn America" everyone is pretending to be so up in arms about is rare. The reason the whole thing came out is because Rev. Wright released his sermon tapes to the public (on his website, I believe). If he was so consistent in the message of hate, why...in the months since this fake controversy, have we still only seen the 20 seconds we first saw?
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This paragraph it an outright lie. It's false. There's no other way to say it. The author has made up her own "facts" in order to make a flimsy point.
I don't know Sully, his character is getting more revealed every day. Everything from Ayers to Acorn to Odinga. Now, Obama said he went to Wright's church on average 2x a month for 20yrs. That is minimum 480 times. And not once did Obama ever hear this kind of "Hate America and blame the White man talk???? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!! Nobody buys it and not even my liberal friends. And if you believe Obama never heard this then you are more naive than Obama is about Foreign Policy.
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