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Old 10-16-2008, 08:28 AM  
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KCJohnny wants to know Obama's "pro-American credentials"

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Typical. Attack the opponent, and not the issue. Please, try to answer the question if you can: what are Senator Obama's pro-American credentials?
My question to John is, what constitutes "pro-American credentials"?
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:31 AM   #2
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:36 AM   #3
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Didn't you get the memo??? If you don't take a stand against abortion, you are anti-American, even though the Republicans get a free pass on the issue.

In other words, blind hatred for all things Democratic.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:49 AM   #5
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Doesn't look like John's going to assist with this thread. Bummer.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:04 AM   #6
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the fact he wants everyone to have health care and have a healthy america definitely isn't one.

the fact that he wants a better education system and more kids to go to colleg and participate in their community isn't one either.

the fact he wants to go after the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and kill obl isn't one either.

on the other hand mccain KNOWS how to fix the economy, win wars, capture obl, and create jobs. this, MY FRIENDS, shows you one thing, mccain is very secretive and wants nobody to know how he intends on doing it.

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Old 10-16-2008, 09:04 AM   #7
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I would say being pro-American would be putting our interests first. One contrary example would be groveling before a crowd in Berlin saying that America sucks and promising that we'll work much harder to gain their approval in the future.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:05 AM   #8
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the fact he wants everyone to have health care and have a healthy america definitely isn't one.

the fact that he wants a better education system and more kids to go to colleg and participate in their community isn't one either.

the fact he wants to go after the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and kill obl isn't one either.

on the other hand mccain KNOWS how to fix the economy, win wars, capture obl, and create jobs. this, MY FRIENDS, shows you one thing, mccain is very secretive and wants nobody to know how he intends on doing it.

rofl waffle!!!
How dare we wanna help people man! I got money **** those people who don't, tell em to get some bootstraps.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:13 AM   #9
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How dare we wanna help people man! I got money **** those people who don't, tell em to get some bootstraps.
Come on. Even you know better than the "they want to take old people's medicine away" stuff that is the gutter sludge of politics.

The primary disagreement is that treating the symptom and not the illness is the best way to help them.

The problem isn't that big government hasn't taken over health care to give it to everyone for free, the problem is that it is too expensive for some people, I think about ten percent, to obtain it on their own. the problem is that it's too expensive for some people, so make it less expensive, don't have everyone start sending you the bill.

Treating the problem and not the symptom would be through administrative means, working to reduce the cost long-term, while providing tax breaks and such in the meantime to make it more affordable. Spending trillions on permanent government programs is the wrong answer and why the federal budget is the size of the entire universe to begin with.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:17 AM   #10
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I'd love to know why nearly every other 1st world nation has universal healthcare without the debt that we do...oh yea that's right they don't think they need to spend more on the military than every other country combined.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:23 AM   #11
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I'd love to know why nearly every other 1st world nation has universal healthcare without the debt that we do...oh yea that's right they don't think they need to spend more on the military than every other country combined.
Well in the UK they typically pay 50 to 60 cents on the dollar in federal taxes, how does that strike you?
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:24 AM   #12
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I'd love to know why nearly every other 1st world nation has universal healthcare without the debt that we do...oh yea that's right they don't think they need to spend more on the military than every other country combined.
There's a reason that gasoline is $8.00/gallon in the UK.

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Old 10-16-2008, 09:24 AM   #13
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I'd love to know why nearly every other 1st world nation has universal healthcare without the debt that we do...oh yea that's right they don't think they need to spend more on the military than every other country combined.
how dare you be factual, NAZI, COMMIE, QUEER, BABY MRDERING, TERRORIST, OH AND ARAB!!!!
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:25 AM   #14
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I would say being pro-American would be putting our interests first. One contrary example would be groveling before a crowd in Berlin saying that America sucks and promising that we'll work much harder to gain their approval in the future.
Would that mean paying taxes that are used to staff a military to defend this country?
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:27 AM   #15
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Would that mean paying taxes that are used to staff a military to defend this country?
Sure, paying taxes for the rightly intended purpose of government is fine. I'd even go so far as to call paying those taxes 'patriotic'.
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