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Old 10-25-2008, 07:03 AM  
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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

OK, c'mon. This is 2006. Obama going to Kenya in 2006 as a US Senator undispatched by the State Department to support Odinga. Raila Odinga is a Muslim who planned out a brutal reprisal on Kenyan Christians should he lose the election that Senator Obama campaigned in on behalf of Odinga. This is not something going on when Obama is "eight years old" or when he just happened to be alseep in Church during all the antiAmerican parts of Jeremiah Wright's toxic sermons.

Odinga is linked to Islamic terror in the Horn of Africa. This is not small change. This is explicit support for an Islamic leader educated in communist East Germany who has ties to terror and who unleashed a brutal and bloody reprisal against his political enemies.

I confess that I have not looked into this until today. This is very, very disurbing.

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Raila Odinga subsequently lost the controversial (probably rigged) presidential election. In what appeared to many—including Human Rights Watch– as a coordinated strategy from the top, (“Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Reuters 1/26/2008 and “Kenya: Violence Planned Before Poll, Says Report” The Nation 3/18/2008) his Luo supporters (a core of whom call themselves The Taliban”(“Ethnic Gangs Rile Kenyan Slums” Newsweek 1/10/08)) engaged in what US Envoy Jendayi Frazer called “clear ethnic cleansing” (“US Envoy Calls Violence in Kenya ‘Ethnic Cleansing’” USA Today 1/30/2008) of the Kikuyu opposition.

Odinga’s supporters went on a rampage—burning Kikuyu homes and businesses, (“Ethnic Cleansing in Luoland” The Economist 2/7/2008) raping Kikuyu women, and murdering everyone in their path—including at least 50 Christian Kikuyu woman & children who had sought refuge in a church. They burned them alive. (“Mob Burns Kenyans Seeking Refuge In Church” CNN 1/10/2008)
“We have evidence that ODM [Odinga’s party] politicians and local leaders actively fomented some post-election violence,” Georgette Gagnon, acting Africa director for the New York based Human Rights Watch (HRW), said on Thursday.” (Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Ibid)

So: who is Raila Odinga that Senator Obama would expend his political capital and risk the goodwill of half the population of Kenya?

Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship. Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)

What we do know about Odinga is not good. A former Minister of Energy, Odinga is reported to have been set up in the oil business by the al Bakri Group and Muammar Quaddafi (“How Rich is Raila-The ODM Kenya Presidential Aspirant?” African Press 4/26/2007) Abdel Qader Bakri (or- Abdulkader al Bakri) was listed on the infamous “Golden Chain”–an internal Al-Queda list of wealthy Saudi financial sponsors seized by Bosnian police in a Islamic “charity” raid in 2001. (“Terrorist Financing Staff Monograph 9/11 Commission and “The Golden Chain”) According to his website, Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany, (Herder Institute, Leipzig & Otto von Guericke Tech. Institute, Magdeburg) (http://www.raila07.com) Odinga’s eldest son is named “Fidel” (http://www.raila07.com)

Perhaps most troubling is Odinga’s links to Islamic extremists in Kenya. According to Voice of America and the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya, on 8/29/07, Odinga signed a secret agreement (exposed 11/27) with Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF) in which he agreed to institute Islamic law in exchange for Abdi’s support (eakenya.org)–thereby potentially disenfranchising and curtailing the liberties of millions of Christian Kenyan women. Further, he promised that Muslims suspected of terrorism would be safe from extradition—thereby establishing a ‘safe haven’ for terrorists in Kenya.

After the public outcry, Odinga denied signing a secret agreement. Angry at Odinga’s apparent repudiation, a member of NAMLEF subsequently released the agreement to the press. Odinga then claimed the document was a forgery, but acknowledged a secret agreement had been signed in exchange for Muslim support. Finally, under constant pressure, Odinga released what he claimed was the actual document (“Real” MOU) a considerably watered down version of the original; but still anathema to many Christian groups. “In response to the revelations, The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya released a statement in which church leaders said Raila, in both MOUs, ‘comes across as a presumptive Muslim president bent on forcing Islamic law, religion and culture down the throats of the Kenyan people in total disregard of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of worship and equal protection of the law’” (“Concerns Raised Over Alleged Vow To Enforce Islamic Law in Kenya” Christian Post 12/18/2007) To many westerners, the idea of imposing Sharia in a predominantly Christian country may have seemed fanciful. However, Kenya has had Sharia courts for family law (not criminal law)—called Khadi courts—since 1963.

At no point has Senator Obama tried to distance himself from Odinga. Odinga visited Obama on a fundraising tour of the US in 2007 and it is believed that political strategist Dick Morris assisted in Odinga’s presidential campaign- gratis- at Obama’s request (Morris only acknowledged the suggestion came through “mutual friends”). (“Bridges Burned in US, Political Kingmaker Hits Africa” ABC News 11/20/2007) Odinga has claimed that he and Obama speak regularly and whether this is true or not– the similarities between their campaigns are startling. (“Kenya Tests New Style of Politicking” The Washington Post, 12/22/2007)

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Old 10-25-2008, 08:36 AM   #16
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KC Johnny, let me save you some time---

Although this stuff may be legitimate, and is cause for concern, nobody cares at this point, it's not going to change anything.

There has just been too much boy crying wolf about B.O. and with that new fraud with the broad who carved a B in her face backwards, it's just there is no use in this any more.

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Old 10-25-2008, 08:38 AM   #17
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Wrong. I never suggested Obama is a Muslim. I deeply respect Muslims. Obama is a Liberation Theology marxist. That is how he votes, that is what his Church teaches, that is why he was in Kenya backing a thug like Odinga.

If you try to deny that Obama's backing of Odinga, a Muslim, resulted in the deaths of hundreds of innocent Christians, then you are the monkey in Denise's post.


You should have Demonpenz photoshop a machete into Obama's hand. It would match the video editing quality and it might make that lie a little more convincing....
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:38 AM   #18
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KC Johnny, let me save you some time---

Although this stuff may be legitimate, and is cause for concern, nobody cares at this point, it's not going to change anything.

There has just been too much boy crying wolf about B.O. and with that new fraud with the broad who carved a B in her face backwards, it's just there is no use in this any more.

It's all about Taxes and energy right now.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Even if you guys managed to dig up something truly revealing, people wouldn't bite. (And this isn't it, by the way.)
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:40 AM   #19
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Even if you guys managed to dig up something truly revealing, people wouldn't bite. (And this isn't it, by the way.)

B.O. has been right--- these things have been a distraction, legitimate or otherwise.

Most of it is preaching the choir, but it does nothing to sway independant voters. McCain has just run an abysmally poor campaign.

He should not have run for president.
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:40 AM   #21
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KC Johnny, let me save you some time---

Although this stuff may be legitimate, and is cause for concern, nobody cares at this point, it's not going to change anything.

There has just been too much boy crying wolf about B.O. and with that new fraud with the broad who carved a B in her face backwards, it's just there is no use in this any more.

It's all about Taxes and energy right now.
I am impressed. Shtsprayer the voice of reason.
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I am impressed. Shtsprayer the voice of reason.
Keep in mind I'm not dismissing the relationship B.O. has with that (yet another) scumbag Odinga.

Just pointing out that this revelation is not going to sway independant voters.

Most Americans couldn't find Kenya on a map, all they care about is when is the price of milk going to come down.
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Keep in mind I'm not dismissing the relationship B.O. has with that (yet another) scumbag Odinga.

Just pointing out that this revelation is not going to sway independant voters.

Most Americans couldn't find Kenya on a map, all they care about is when is the price of milk going to come down.
I must be elitist.
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Keep in mind I'm not dismissing the relationship B.O. has with that (yet another) scumbag Odinga.

Just pointing out that this revelation is not going to sway independant voters.

Most Americans couldn't find Kenya on a map, all they care about is when is the price of milk going to come down.
I understand. I think the one association that really hurt Obama was Rev Wright other than that I think the rest have had no effect at all.
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From the democrat Hillary Hotline:

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Obama remains in touch with his father's side of the family and has visited them in Kenya. Obama also remains in touch with his relative, Mr. Ralia Odinga, the head of Kenya's ODM party (Orange Democratic Movement). Mr. Odinga ran for President of Kenya (on a platform of Change). Currently Odinga is trying to overthrow the Kenyan government (who is an ally of the U.S.) and install a Muslim regime that would call for Sharia Law (Muslim law that would require women to be veiled, etc.).

The reason Americans should be concerned about this is because Barack Obama made a trip to Kenya to visit Ralia Odinga in 2006 and supported his candidacy. As recently as the New Hampshire primary, Obama was in touch with Odinga. As ex-Ambassador Joe Wilson points out in the Baltimore Sun, Obama should not interfere in Kenya's political situation. This raises questions about Obama's judgment and constitutes interference with an ally of the U.S. government.
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A correct title would be "Odinga is bad and here are a lot of reasons why. Also, here is speculation that there could maybe possibly be a connection to Obama if you squint a lot even if we are offering no evidence to back this claim."

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At no point has Senator Obama tried to distance himself from Odinga.
This line comes AFTER the very same article states that Obama's campaign denied that he was a cousin of Odinga.

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What is the term for this? The pot calling the pot black?
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From the democrat Hillary Hotline:
Wow, there's an unbiased source you stupid sack of shit.
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No one cares Johnny. I don't get why you think this is important?

Just like the bogus birth certificate lawsuit. Oh yeah did I mention a federal judge threw out that lawsuit yesterday?

Another one bites the dust.
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I understand. I think the one association that really hurt Obama was Rev Wright other than that I think the rest have had no effect at all.

And it was a legitimate and valid concern his association with Wright, but his campaign and the media conspired to turn it around and define it as a "smear".

Now everything after that-- Ayers, Odinga, et al--- is also dismissed as a smear.
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Keep in mind I'm not dismissing the relationship B.O. has with that (yet another) scumbag Odinga.

Just pointing out that this revelation is not going to sway independant voters.

Most Americans couldn't find Kenya on a map, all they care about is when is the price of milk going to come down.
That may be true, but we must at least discuss the implications of Obama violating the Logan Act in campaigning for Odinga and supporting an Islamic marxist over a duly elected Christian President. I mean, how much more proof does anyone need? You are willing to hand the keys to America's security this Obama???????
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