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Old 10-25-2008, 08:03 AM  
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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

OK, c'mon. This is 2006. Obama going to Kenya in 2006 as a US Senator undispatched by the State Department to support Odinga. Raila Odinga is a Muslim who planned out a brutal reprisal on Kenyan Christians should he lose the election that Senator Obama campaigned in on behalf of Odinga. This is not something going on when Obama is "eight years old" or when he just happened to be alseep in Church during all the antiAmerican parts of Jeremiah Wright's toxic sermons.

Odinga is linked to Islamic terror in the Horn of Africa. This is not small change. This is explicit support for an Islamic leader educated in communist East Germany who has ties to terror and who unleashed a brutal and bloody reprisal against his political enemies.

I confess that I have not looked into this until today. This is very, very disurbing.

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Raila Odinga subsequently lost the controversial (probably rigged) presidential election. In what appeared to many—including Human Rights Watch– as a coordinated strategy from the top, (“Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Reuters 1/26/2008 and “Kenya: Violence Planned Before Poll, Says Report” The Nation 3/18/2008) his Luo supporters (a core of whom call themselves The Taliban”(“Ethnic Gangs Rile Kenyan Slums” Newsweek 1/10/08)) engaged in what US Envoy Jendayi Frazer called “clear ethnic cleansing” (“US Envoy Calls Violence in Kenya ‘Ethnic Cleansing’” USA Today 1/30/2008) of the Kikuyu opposition.

Odinga’s supporters went on a rampage—burning Kikuyu homes and businesses, (“Ethnic Cleansing in Luoland” The Economist 2/7/2008) raping Kikuyu women, and murdering everyone in their path—including at least 50 Christian Kikuyu woman & children who had sought refuge in a church. They burned them alive. (“Mob Burns Kenyans Seeking Refuge In Church” CNN 1/10/2008)
“We have evidence that ODM [Odinga’s party] politicians and local leaders actively fomented some post-election violence,” Georgette Gagnon, acting Africa director for the New York based Human Rights Watch (HRW), said on Thursday.” (Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Ibid)

So: who is Raila Odinga that Senator Obama would expend his political capital and risk the goodwill of half the population of Kenya?

Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship. Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)

What we do know about Odinga is not good. A former Minister of Energy, Odinga is reported to have been set up in the oil business by the al Bakri Group and Muammar Quaddafi (“How Rich is Raila-The ODM Kenya Presidential Aspirant?” African Press 4/26/2007) Abdel Qader Bakri (or- Abdulkader al Bakri) was listed on the infamous “Golden Chain”–an internal Al-Queda list of wealthy Saudi financial sponsors seized by Bosnian police in a Islamic “charity” raid in 2001. (“Terrorist Financing Staff Monograph 9/11 Commission and “The Golden Chain”) According to his website, Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany, (Herder Institute, Leipzig & Otto von Guericke Tech. Institute, Magdeburg) (http://www.raila07.com) Odinga’s eldest son is named “Fidel” (http://www.raila07.com)

Perhaps most troubling is Odinga’s links to Islamic extremists in Kenya. According to Voice of America and the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya, on 8/29/07, Odinga signed a secret agreement (exposed 11/27) with Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF) in which he agreed to institute Islamic law in exchange for Abdi’s support (eakenya.org)–thereby potentially disenfranchising and curtailing the liberties of millions of Christian Kenyan women. Further, he promised that Muslims suspected of terrorism would be safe from extradition—thereby establishing a ‘safe haven’ for terrorists in Kenya.

After the public outcry, Odinga denied signing a secret agreement. Angry at Odinga’s apparent repudiation, a member of NAMLEF subsequently released the agreement to the press. Odinga then claimed the document was a forgery, but acknowledged a secret agreement had been signed in exchange for Muslim support. Finally, under constant pressure, Odinga released what he claimed was the actual document (“Real” MOU) a considerably watered down version of the original; but still anathema to many Christian groups. “In response to the revelations, The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya released a statement in which church leaders said Raila, in both MOUs, ‘comes across as a presumptive Muslim president bent on forcing Islamic law, religion and culture down the throats of the Kenyan people in total disregard of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of worship and equal protection of the law’” (“Concerns Raised Over Alleged Vow To Enforce Islamic Law in Kenya” Christian Post 12/18/2007) To many westerners, the idea of imposing Sharia in a predominantly Christian country may have seemed fanciful. However, Kenya has had Sharia courts for family law (not criminal law)—called Khadi courts—since 1963.

At no point has Senator Obama tried to distance himself from Odinga. Odinga visited Obama on a fundraising tour of the US in 2007 and it is believed that political strategist Dick Morris assisted in Odinga’s presidential campaign- gratis- at Obama’s request (Morris only acknowledged the suggestion came through “mutual friends”). (“Bridges Burned in US, Political Kingmaker Hits Africa” ABC News 11/20/2007) Odinga has claimed that he and Obama speak regularly and whether this is true or not– the similarities between their campaigns are startling. (“Kenya Tests New Style of Politicking” The Washington Post, 12/22/2007)

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Old 10-25-2008, 10:39 AM   #61
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Well if the Obama campaign says they didn't donate money and the Odinga campaign says the didn't receive any money, then they must not have! I certainly believe everything they say...it's so much easier that way.


Out of curiosity, which source(s) on this story do you find most credible?
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:42 AM   #62
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The St. Petersburg Times and Congressional Quarterly said it, not the Obama campaign.

And seeing as those two claims are literally the ONLY "evidence" that's been proffered over the course of the past two years, yeah, it's just a biiiiiiiiiiiit tenuous. Sorry you can't just call someone a "radical muslim enabler" without people questioning your claims.
I didn't call him a radical muslim enabler. I'm not sure I believe that is the correct term anyway. I was simply saying that from the article you posted it "proved" it didn't happen because the B.O. campaign and the Odinga campaign said so.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:42 AM   #63
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Out of curiosity, which source(s) on this story do you find most credible?
Damn, I posted a video on this thread. Do you people deny that is Barack Obama campaigning for Odinga?

Maybe reason is the real casualty here.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:45 AM   #64
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I didn't call him a radical muslim enabler. I'm not sure I believe that is the correct term anyway. I was simply saying that from the article you posted it "proved" it didn't happen because the B.O. campaign and the Odinga campaign said so.
And I told you that the St. Petersburg Times' fact checking website was the one who said so, not Obama.

That, plus the fact that the group the assertion was made about never ****ing existed.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:48 AM   #65
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And I told you that the St. Petersburg Times' fact checking website was the one who said so, not Obama.

That, plus the fact that the group the assertion was made about never ****ing existed.
Willful ignorance. There are dozens of attributable links in the thread topic. You must be a marxist, too. Its not like this is secret information.
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Willful ignorance. There are dozens of attributable links in the thread topic. You must be a marxist, too. Its not like this is secret information.
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Out of curiosity, which source(s) on this story do you find most credible?
Honestly, I don't find any news source credible. I am extremely cynical now. Of the story KCJohnny posted (to answer your question) I don't think that Newsweek and USA Today gets things completely wrong on a regular basis.

That being said, I don't trust them either.
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Out of curiosity, which source(s) on this story do you find most credible?
I think it boils down to Obama supporters believe what they want to believe. We can find sources to confirm or deny nearly everything that happens.

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So, you are an atheist, eh? And you want credibility if we discuss Islam, Christianity and American politics?
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Honestly, I don't find any news source credible. I am extremely cynical now. Of the story KCJohnny posted (to answer your question) I don't think that Newsweek and USA Today gets things completely wrong on a regular basis.
Except Newsweek and USA Today said nothing about any connection between Obama and Odinga. At all.

None of the linked articles did. The entire piece was about how awful Odinga is, and then threw in a couple of lines about Obama's trip to Kenya in 2006. HOLY **** THERE MUST BE A LOT OF EVIDENCE IN THIS ARTICLE IF IT HAS SO MANY LINKS!!!!!!!!!
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But God forbid Sarah Palin wear clothes bought by the RNC to wear on the campaign trail that will be donated to charity afterwards. THAT they scream bloody hell about.
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So, you are an atheist, eh? And you want credibility if we discuss Islam, Christianity and American politics?
You are a very stupid man.
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Except Newsweek and USA Today said nothing about any connection between Obama and Odinga. At all.

None of the linked articles did. The entire piece was about how awful Odinga is, and then threw in a couple of lines about Obama's trip to Kenya in 2006. HOLY **** THERE MUST BE A LOT OF EVIDENCE IN THIS ARTICLE IF IT HAS SO MANY LINKS!!!!!!!!!
Agreed. My point is who to believe and who not to believe.
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I think it boils down to Obama supporters believe what they want to believe. We can find sources to confirm or deny nearly everything that happens.
The truth is right there for anyone who really wants to see it. This is a 2006 Obama activity in support of a marxist Islamic leader who agitates for the death of Christians in Kenya. Yet we sheep are to keep quiet and obey the MSM which ignores the whole thing.

Give me a break. Wake up, folks. Obama is not a Christian and is not pro-America.
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