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Old 10-25-2008, 07:03 AM  
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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

OK, c'mon. This is 2006. Obama going to Kenya in 2006 as a US Senator undispatched by the State Department to support Odinga. Raila Odinga is a Muslim who planned out a brutal reprisal on Kenyan Christians should he lose the election that Senator Obama campaigned in on behalf of Odinga. This is not something going on when Obama is "eight years old" or when he just happened to be alseep in Church during all the antiAmerican parts of Jeremiah Wright's toxic sermons.

Odinga is linked to Islamic terror in the Horn of Africa. This is not small change. This is explicit support for an Islamic leader educated in communist East Germany who has ties to terror and who unleashed a brutal and bloody reprisal against his political enemies.

I confess that I have not looked into this until today. This is very, very disurbing.

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Raila Odinga subsequently lost the controversial (probably rigged) presidential election. In what appeared to many—including Human Rights Watch– as a coordinated strategy from the top, (“Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Reuters 1/26/2008 and “Kenya: Violence Planned Before Poll, Says Report” The Nation 3/18/2008) his Luo supporters (a core of whom call themselves The Taliban”(“Ethnic Gangs Rile Kenyan Slums” Newsweek 1/10/08)) engaged in what US Envoy Jendayi Frazer called “clear ethnic cleansing” (“US Envoy Calls Violence in Kenya ‘Ethnic Cleansing’” USA Today 1/30/2008) of the Kikuyu opposition.

Odinga’s supporters went on a rampage—burning Kikuyu homes and businesses, (“Ethnic Cleansing in Luoland” The Economist 2/7/2008) raping Kikuyu women, and murdering everyone in their path—including at least 50 Christian Kikuyu woman & children who had sought refuge in a church. They burned them alive. (“Mob Burns Kenyans Seeking Refuge In Church” CNN 1/10/2008)
“We have evidence that ODM [Odinga’s party] politicians and local leaders actively fomented some post-election violence,” Georgette Gagnon, acting Africa director for the New York based Human Rights Watch (HRW), said on Thursday.” (Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Ibid)

So: who is Raila Odinga that Senator Obama would expend his political capital and risk the goodwill of half the population of Kenya?

Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship. Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)

What we do know about Odinga is not good. A former Minister of Energy, Odinga is reported to have been set up in the oil business by the al Bakri Group and Muammar Quaddafi (“How Rich is Raila-The ODM Kenya Presidential Aspirant?” African Press 4/26/2007) Abdel Qader Bakri (or- Abdulkader al Bakri) was listed on the infamous “Golden Chain”–an internal Al-Queda list of wealthy Saudi financial sponsors seized by Bosnian police in a Islamic “charity” raid in 2001. (“Terrorist Financing Staff Monograph 9/11 Commission and “The Golden Chain”) According to his website, Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany, (Herder Institute, Leipzig & Otto von Guericke Tech. Institute, Magdeburg) (http://www.raila07.com) Odinga’s eldest son is named “Fidel” (http://www.raila07.com)

Perhaps most troubling is Odinga’s links to Islamic extremists in Kenya. According to Voice of America and the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya, on 8/29/07, Odinga signed a secret agreement (exposed 11/27) with Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF) in which he agreed to institute Islamic law in exchange for Abdi’s support (eakenya.org)–thereby potentially disenfranchising and curtailing the liberties of millions of Christian Kenyan women. Further, he promised that Muslims suspected of terrorism would be safe from extradition—thereby establishing a ‘safe haven’ for terrorists in Kenya.

After the public outcry, Odinga denied signing a secret agreement. Angry at Odinga’s apparent repudiation, a member of NAMLEF subsequently released the agreement to the press. Odinga then claimed the document was a forgery, but acknowledged a secret agreement had been signed in exchange for Muslim support. Finally, under constant pressure, Odinga released what he claimed was the actual document (“Real” MOU) a considerably watered down version of the original; but still anathema to many Christian groups. “In response to the revelations, The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya released a statement in which church leaders said Raila, in both MOUs, ‘comes across as a presumptive Muslim president bent on forcing Islamic law, religion and culture down the throats of the Kenyan people in total disregard of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of worship and equal protection of the law’” (“Concerns Raised Over Alleged Vow To Enforce Islamic Law in Kenya” Christian Post 12/18/2007) To many westerners, the idea of imposing Sharia in a predominantly Christian country may have seemed fanciful. However, Kenya has had Sharia courts for family law (not criminal law)—called Khadi courts—since 1963.

At no point has Senator Obama tried to distance himself from Odinga. Odinga visited Obama on a fundraising tour of the US in 2007 and it is believed that political strategist Dick Morris assisted in Odinga’s presidential campaign- gratis- at Obama’s request (Morris only acknowledged the suggestion came through “mutual friends”). (“Bridges Burned in US, Political Kingmaker Hits Africa” ABC News 11/20/2007) Odinga has claimed that he and Obama speak regularly and whether this is true or not– the similarities between their campaigns are startling. (“Kenya Tests New Style of Politicking” The Washington Post, 12/22/2007)

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Old 10-25-2008, 09:57 AM   #76
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Agreed. My point is who to believe and who not to believe.
So you're backtracking, then? Because you seemed pretty credulous about these "close ties" not too long ago:

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Wait a sec...the possible POTUS with close ties to terrorists isn't something you care about? How could you not?
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:00 AM   #77
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You are a very stupid man.
Wow. Convincing argument. Have you studied theology at the graduate level? I have. Do you know what Black Liberation Theology actually purports? You should.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:00 AM   #78
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:01 AM   #79
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The truth is right there for anyone who really wants to see it. This is a 2006 Obama activity in support of a marxist Islamic leader who agitates for the death of Christians in Kenya. Yet we sheep are to keep quiet and obey the MSM which ignores the whole thing.

Give me a break. Wake up, folks. Obama is not a Christian and is not pro-America.
So the truth is right there, and available for the BBC, or any legitimate news source to pick up and run with - and they haven't?

Kinda why you don't see those "Aliens abducted my Husband" stories on the BBC...
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I'm not sure we can totally point our fingers toward left for responsibility of the financial crisis, but they certainly had a huge hand in it.
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Go ahead refute any point here. Take your time.
Your entire post was like an extremely well-crafted parody. I wish it had been one.
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I'm not sure we can totally point our fingers toward left for responsibility of the financial crisis, but they certainly had a huge hand in it.
Lemme guess, CRA?

Anything to keep rampant deregulation out of the spotlight, I guess.
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huh? did you read my previous posts? I am not an Obama supporter and I don't believe everything I hear...
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Its refreshing to know that 'Uncle Ted' knows more about Kenyan current events than the African Press International. What ever was I thinking???
It has nothing to do with what I know or don't know about Kenyan politics, and everything to do with being able to spot a thinly-veiled hit piece when I see one. Like all good conspiracy theories it's a kernel of truth surrounded with a thousand layers of suspicion, innuendo, and bullshit.

To take just one example from the article:

"Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship." Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)"


I mean really, honestly, in light of BHO's personal history this is laughable. If you think that this supposed "connection" is objective evidence of anything then you must also believe that Sarah Palin hates America (through her husband's past membership in the AIP) or that John McCain supports domestic terrorism and criminal activity against democrats (G. Gordon Liddy hosted a fund-raiser for McCain in 1998).

Do you?

I assume that you don't, even though these "connections" are just as strong as the connections claimed by this article.
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It has nothing to do with what I know or don't know about Kenyan politics, and everything to do with being able to spot a thinly-veiled hit piece when I see one. Like all good conspiracy theories it's a kernel of truth surrounded with a thousand layers of suspicion, innuendo, and bullshit.

To take just one example from the article:

"Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship." Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)"


I mean really, honestly, in light of BHO's personal history this is laughable. If you think that this supposed "connection" is objective evidence of anything then you must also believe that Sarah Palin hates America (through her husband's past membership in the AIP) or that John McCain supports domestic terrorism and criminal activity against democrats (G. Gordon Liddy hosted a fund-raiser for McCain in 1998). Do you?

I assume that you don't, even though these "connections" are just as strong as the connections claimed by this article.
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So the truth is right there, and available for the BBC, or any legitimate news source to pick up and run with - and they haven't?

Kinda why you don't see those "Aliens abducted my Husband" stories on the BBC...
You're aware that the BBC is further left than even NBC aren't you?
Perhaps you can peruse the NY Times for pertinent stories.
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Lemme guess, CRA?

Anything to keep rampant deregulation out of the spotlight, I guess.
No. I am a poor college student who realizes that deregulation is a part of it. But correleation doesn't equal causation.
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