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Old 10-25-2008, 07:03 AM  
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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

OK, c'mon. This is 2006. Obama going to Kenya in 2006 as a US Senator undispatched by the State Department to support Odinga. Raila Odinga is a Muslim who planned out a brutal reprisal on Kenyan Christians should he lose the election that Senator Obama campaigned in on behalf of Odinga. This is not something going on when Obama is "eight years old" or when he just happened to be alseep in Church during all the antiAmerican parts of Jeremiah Wright's toxic sermons.

Odinga is linked to Islamic terror in the Horn of Africa. This is not small change. This is explicit support for an Islamic leader educated in communist East Germany who has ties to terror and who unleashed a brutal and bloody reprisal against his political enemies.

I confess that I have not looked into this until today. This is very, very disurbing.

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Raila Odinga subsequently lost the controversial (probably rigged) presidential election. In what appeared to many—including Human Rights Watch– as a coordinated strategy from the top, (“Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Reuters 1/26/2008 and “Kenya: Violence Planned Before Poll, Says Report” The Nation 3/18/2008) his Luo supporters (a core of whom call themselves The Taliban”(“Ethnic Gangs Rile Kenyan Slums” Newsweek 1/10/08)) engaged in what US Envoy Jendayi Frazer called “clear ethnic cleansing” (“US Envoy Calls Violence in Kenya ‘Ethnic Cleansing’” USA Today 1/30/2008) of the Kikuyu opposition.

Odinga’s supporters went on a rampage—burning Kikuyu homes and businesses, (“Ethnic Cleansing in Luoland” The Economist 2/7/2008) raping Kikuyu women, and murdering everyone in their path—including at least 50 Christian Kikuyu woman & children who had sought refuge in a church. They burned them alive. (“Mob Burns Kenyans Seeking Refuge In Church” CNN 1/10/2008)
“We have evidence that ODM [Odinga’s party] politicians and local leaders actively fomented some post-election violence,” Georgette Gagnon, acting Africa director for the New York based Human Rights Watch (HRW), said on Thursday.” (Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Ibid)

So: who is Raila Odinga that Senator Obama would expend his political capital and risk the goodwill of half the population of Kenya?

Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship. Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)

What we do know about Odinga is not good. A former Minister of Energy, Odinga is reported to have been set up in the oil business by the al Bakri Group and Muammar Quaddafi (“How Rich is Raila-The ODM Kenya Presidential Aspirant?” African Press 4/26/2007) Abdel Qader Bakri (or- Abdulkader al Bakri) was listed on the infamous “Golden Chain”–an internal Al-Queda list of wealthy Saudi financial sponsors seized by Bosnian police in a Islamic “charity” raid in 2001. (“Terrorist Financing Staff Monograph 9/11 Commission and “The Golden Chain”) According to his website, Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany, (Herder Institute, Leipzig & Otto von Guericke Tech. Institute, Magdeburg) (http://www.raila07.com) Odinga’s eldest son is named “Fidel” (http://www.raila07.com)

Perhaps most troubling is Odinga’s links to Islamic extremists in Kenya. According to Voice of America and the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya, on 8/29/07, Odinga signed a secret agreement (exposed 11/27) with Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF) in which he agreed to institute Islamic law in exchange for Abdi’s support (eakenya.org)–thereby potentially disenfranchising and curtailing the liberties of millions of Christian Kenyan women. Further, he promised that Muslims suspected of terrorism would be safe from extradition—thereby establishing a ‘safe haven’ for terrorists in Kenya.

After the public outcry, Odinga denied signing a secret agreement. Angry at Odinga’s apparent repudiation, a member of NAMLEF subsequently released the agreement to the press. Odinga then claimed the document was a forgery, but acknowledged a secret agreement had been signed in exchange for Muslim support. Finally, under constant pressure, Odinga released what he claimed was the actual document (“Real” MOU) a considerably watered down version of the original; but still anathema to many Christian groups. “In response to the revelations, The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya released a statement in which church leaders said Raila, in both MOUs, ‘comes across as a presumptive Muslim president bent on forcing Islamic law, religion and culture down the throats of the Kenyan people in total disregard of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of worship and equal protection of the law’” (“Concerns Raised Over Alleged Vow To Enforce Islamic Law in Kenya” Christian Post 12/18/2007) To many westerners, the idea of imposing Sharia in a predominantly Christian country may have seemed fanciful. However, Kenya has had Sharia courts for family law (not criminal law)—called Khadi courts—since 1963.

At no point has Senator Obama tried to distance himself from Odinga. Odinga visited Obama on a fundraising tour of the US in 2007 and it is believed that political strategist Dick Morris assisted in Odinga’s presidential campaign- gratis- at Obama’s request (Morris only acknowledged the suggestion came through “mutual friends”). (“Bridges Burned in US, Political Kingmaker Hits Africa” ABC News 11/20/2007) Odinga has claimed that he and Obama speak regularly and whether this is true or not– the similarities between their campaigns are startling. (“Kenya Tests New Style of Politicking” The Washington Post, 12/22/2007)

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Old 10-25-2008, 10:06 AM   #91
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:06 AM   #92
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huh? did you read my previous posts? I am not an Obama supporter and I don't believe everything I hear...
You said that Obama supporters believe what they want to hear. My point was that McCain supporters do the same thing.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:06 AM   #93
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No. I am a poor college student who realizes that deregulation is a part of it. But correleation doesn't equal causation.
So Democrats = HUGE part
Deregulation = part

I don't think I'll trust you as a news source, good sir.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:07 AM   #94
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Your entire post was like an extremely well-crafted parody. I wish it had been one.
So in effect, you got nothing.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:07 AM   #95
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You're aware that the BBC is further left than even NBC aren't you?
Perhaps you can peruse the NY Times for pertinent stories.
Jesus Christ...

PICK a legitimate news organization.

I'LL LET YOU CHOOSE.

Are THEY running this story?
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:07 AM   #96
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It has nothing to do with what I know or don't know about Kenyan politics, and everything to do with being able to spot a thinly-veiled hit piece when I see one. Like all good conspiracy theories it's a kernel of truth surrounded with a thousand layers of suspicion, innuendo, and bullshit.

To take just one example from the article:

"Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship." Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)"

I mean really, honestly, in light of BHO's personal history this is laughable. If you think that this supposed "connection" is objective evidence of anything then you must also believe that Sarah Palin hates America (through her husband's past membership in the AIP) or that John McCain supports domestic terrorism and criminal activity against democrats (G. Gordon Liddy hosted a fund-raiser for McCain in 1998).

Do you?

I assume that you don't, even though these "connections" are just as strong as the connections claimed by this article.
You can read, right?

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However, the underlying (more important issues) are verifiably true. In August and September 2006, Senator Barack Obama traveled to South Africa, Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Chad and Kenya as a congressional delegation of one (Codel Obama) (“Codel Obama” The Hill 9/7/2006) While in Kenya, Obama consistently appeared at the side of fellow Luo Raila Odinga (“your agent for change’), who was running for President. (“Senator Rebukes Kenya’s Corruption” Chicago Sun Times 8/29/2006) Because of his African heritage, Obama was treated as a virtual “Head of State” in Kenya While campaigning with Odinga, Obama was openly critical of governmental corruption under President Mibaki –usually a fair, if undiplomatic, criticism from an objective observer.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:07 AM   #97
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So you're backtracking, then? Because you seemed pretty credulous about these "close ties" not too long ago:
Notice the word possible. Hanging modifier. My bad.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:08 AM   #98
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Notice the word possible. Hanging modifier. My bad.
You said possible POTUS, not possible ties.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:10 AM   #100
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So Democrats = HUGE part
Deregulation = part

I don't think I'll trust you as a news source, good sir.
Haha...no do not trust me as a news source. I just call things as I see it from various news outlets who each have their own agenda.

But yes-deregulation has a part
And I would adjust your other statement from democrats to liberalism
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You said possible POTUS, not possible ties.
yes, hence the hanging modifier part.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:11 AM   #103
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So in effect, you got nothing.
Every single bullshit accusation in your AMAZING post has been completely debunked, time and time and time and time again, for the past several months. What the **** can someone say to a person willing to believe any accusation, sans evidence, if it's about a politician they already dislike?

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Old 10-25-2008, 10:12 AM   #104
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So in effect, you got nothing.
I heard from a reliable source Tom Osbourne molested kids. Were you one of them?
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:14 AM   #105
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You said that Obama supporters believe what they want to hear. My point was that McCain supporters do the same thing.
Yes. I agree with you 100% and I should have stated that in my post.
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