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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

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Obama/Odinga link far from Innocuous

OK, c'mon. This is 2006. Obama going to Kenya in 2006 as a US Senator undispatched by the State Department to support Odinga. Raila Odinga is a Muslim who planned out a brutal reprisal on Kenyan Christians should he lose the election that Senator Obama campaigned in on behalf of Odinga. This is not something going on when Obama is "eight years old" or when he just happened to be alseep in Church during all the antiAmerican parts of Jeremiah Wright's toxic sermons.

Odinga is linked to Islamic terror in the Horn of Africa. This is not small change. This is explicit support for an Islamic leader educated in communist East Germany who has ties to terror and who unleashed a brutal and bloody reprisal against his political enemies.

I confess that I have not looked into this until today. This is very, very disurbing.

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Raila Odinga subsequently lost the controversial (probably rigged) presidential election. In what appeared to many—including Human Rights Watch– as a coordinated strategy from the top, (“Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Reuters 1/26/2008 and “Kenya: Violence Planned Before Poll, Says Report” The Nation 3/18/2008) his Luo supporters (a core of whom call themselves The Taliban”(“Ethnic Gangs Rile Kenyan Slums” Newsweek 1/10/08)) engaged in what US Envoy Jendayi Frazer called “clear ethnic cleansing” (“US Envoy Calls Violence in Kenya ‘Ethnic Cleansing’” USA Today 1/30/2008) of the Kikuyu opposition.

Odinga’s supporters went on a rampage—burning Kikuyu homes and businesses, (“Ethnic Cleansing in Luoland” The Economist 2/7/2008) raping Kikuyu women, and murdering everyone in their path—including at least 50 Christian Kikuyu woman & children who had sought refuge in a church. They burned them alive. (“Mob Burns Kenyans Seeking Refuge In Church” CNN 1/10/2008)
“We have evidence that ODM [Odinga’s party] politicians and local leaders actively fomented some post-election violence,” Georgette Gagnon, acting Africa director for the New York based Human Rights Watch (HRW), said on Thursday.” (Violence We Fled was Planned, Say Kenyan Refugees” Ibid)

So: who is Raila Odinga that Senator Obama would expend his political capital and risk the goodwill of half the population of Kenya?

Their relationship is unclear. The BBC initially reported that Obama and Odinga were first cousins.(“Odinga Says Obama is His Cousin” 1/8/2008) The Obama campaign has since denied a familial relationship. Raila Odinga’s father Oginga Odinga was leader of the “Kenya People’s Union” and perceived as a “committed socialist” (“Oginga Odinga: Kenya’s Most Persecuted Politician” Kenya: Key Issues 8/21.2002). Odinga Sr. was also the political ally of fellow Luo; Barack Obama Sr.(The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio University Press, 2004) p. 182)

What we do know about Odinga is not good. A former Minister of Energy, Odinga is reported to have been set up in the oil business by the al Bakri Group and Muammar Quaddafi (“How Rich is Raila-The ODM Kenya Presidential Aspirant?” African Press 4/26/2007) Abdel Qader Bakri (or- Abdulkader al Bakri) was listed on the infamous “Golden Chain”–an internal Al-Queda list of wealthy Saudi financial sponsors seized by Bosnian police in a Islamic “charity” raid in 2001. (“Terrorist Financing Staff Monograph 9/11 Commission and “The Golden Chain”) According to his website, Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany, (Herder Institute, Leipzig & Otto von Guericke Tech. Institute, Magdeburg) (http://www.raila07.com) Odinga’s eldest son is named “Fidel” (http://www.raila07.com)

Perhaps most troubling is Odinga’s links to Islamic extremists in Kenya. According to Voice of America and the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya, on 8/29/07, Odinga signed a secret agreement (exposed 11/27) with Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF) in which he agreed to institute Islamic law in exchange for Abdi’s support (eakenya.org)–thereby potentially disenfranchising and curtailing the liberties of millions of Christian Kenyan women. Further, he promised that Muslims suspected of terrorism would be safe from extradition—thereby establishing a ‘safe haven’ for terrorists in Kenya.

After the public outcry, Odinga denied signing a secret agreement. Angry at Odinga’s apparent repudiation, a member of NAMLEF subsequently released the agreement to the press. Odinga then claimed the document was a forgery, but acknowledged a secret agreement had been signed in exchange for Muslim support. Finally, under constant pressure, Odinga released what he claimed was the actual document (“Real” MOU) a considerably watered down version of the original; but still anathema to many Christian groups. “In response to the revelations, The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya released a statement in which church leaders said Raila, in both MOUs, ‘comes across as a presumptive Muslim president bent on forcing Islamic law, religion and culture down the throats of the Kenyan people in total disregard of the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of worship and equal protection of the law’” (“Concerns Raised Over Alleged Vow To Enforce Islamic Law in Kenya” Christian Post 12/18/2007) To many westerners, the idea of imposing Sharia in a predominantly Christian country may have seemed fanciful. However, Kenya has had Sharia courts for family law (not criminal law)—called Khadi courts—since 1963.

At no point has Senator Obama tried to distance himself from Odinga. Odinga visited Obama on a fundraising tour of the US in 2007 and it is believed that political strategist Dick Morris assisted in Odinga’s presidential campaign- gratis- at Obama’s request (Morris only acknowledged the suggestion came through “mutual friends”). (“Bridges Burned in US, Political Kingmaker Hits Africa” ABC News 11/20/2007) Odinga has claimed that he and Obama speak regularly and whether this is true or not– the similarities between their campaigns are startling. (“Kenya Tests New Style of Politicking” The Washington Post, 12/22/2007)

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Old 10-25-2008, 11:37 AM   #106
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I think it boils down to Obama supporters believe what they want to believe. We can find sources to confirm or deny nearly everything that happens.

I agree completely. It's human nature to believe stories that support our opinions. Which is why folks who hate Obama - not all McCain supporters, just the ones who really hate Obama - are inclined to believe stories like this one, or the backwards B crazy chick story.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:19 PM   #107
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You can read, right?
Yes I can read, and the paragraph you quoted back to me does nothing but prove my point:

"Obama was treated as a virtual head of state"

What does that mean? Every senator visiting a foreign country on an official visit receives special treatment. There are zero facts to back up a bald assertion that he received some sort of special treatment afforded only to heads of state. This throw-away phrase is nothing more than an attempt to reinforce the idea that somehow Obama is beholden to foreign interests (and oh by the way, he's "uppity" too).

"In August and September 2006, Senator Barack Obama traveled to South Africa, Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Chad and Kenya as a congressional delegation of one"

So he went to 6 countries by himself. Exactly why is the fact that he went alone so important to you? Is he getting "uppity" again? I suppose you'll also tell me that his visits to the other countries were just "cover" for his trip to Kenya (or is he plotting with radicals to overthrow the governments of those countries too?).

"consistently appeared at the side of fellow Luo Raila Odinga"

He "consistently" appeared with him? If the publication behind this article had one or more reporters covering the visit surely can give at least a rough figure for how much time Obama spent with Odinga and how many times they appeared together. Did they appear in public together 1 or 2 times? 5 or 6? 10 or 12 times? Did Obama spend 2 hours with him? 2 full days? The entire visit? They don't say. But by saying "consistently" they don't have to be specific, and can drive you to the conclusion they want you to reach -- that Obama and Odinga were attached at the hip the whole time Obama was there. Because that reinforces their original lie.

Same thing with the charge that they campaigned together. What exactly did they do? How many appearances did they make together? Surely if they were "campaigning" together Obama must have said all kinds of flattering things about Odinga. Where are the quotes?

Also, the fact that they share the same ethnic heritage may be a fact, but it doesn't support the notion that they are somehow closely connected because of it.

And you still never answered my question: Given that Palin and McCain have ties to separatists and domestic terrorists which are just as close as the ties you think Obama has with Odinga (and lets throw in Ayers too for the hell of it), do you believe that Palin hates America and McCain supports terrorist attacks against his political opponents? And if not, why not?
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:26 PM   #108
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Same thing with the charge that they campaigned together. What exactly did they do? How many appearances did they make together? Surely if they were "campaigning" together Obama must have said all kinds of flattering things about Odinga. Where are the quotes?
Very nice debunking, though I doubt it will do any good. I'll just echo this point, because I said the same thing about the supposedly damning video. I found it very telling that they showed some video shots of Obama with Odinga standing on the platform with him as Obama gave a speech. It's clear that the goal here was to show that Obama was campaigning for Odinga. Interestingly, they played music over the voices the entire time, so we could never hear any of the supposedly incriminating campaigning that Obama was engaging in.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:32 PM   #109
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Same thing with the charge that they campaigned together. What exactly did they do? How many appearances did they make together? Surely if they were "campaigning" together Obama must have said all kinds of flattering things about Odinga. Where are the quotes?

And you still never answered my question: Given that Palin and McCain have ties to separatists and domestic terrorists which are just as close as the ties you think Obama has with Odinga (and lets throw in Ayers too for the hell of it), do you believe that Palin hates America and McCain supports terrorist attacks against his political opponents? And if not, why not?
1. There is abundant video showing Obama supporting Odinga. I have posted a couple in this thread. It is useless to deny Obama's endorsement of Raila Odinga. Odinga is a marxist, a Muslim, and Obama went there to campaign for Odinga against the US-backed Christian president. Why did Obama not meet with the President of Kenya?

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Obama appeared with opposition leader Raila Odinga -- a Luo running for president -- at stops on Saturday in his father's native district.
There's a pattern here - this isn't a one time deal, and Obama supporters cannot deny this. From Frank Marshall Davis to Jeremiah Wright to William Ayers to Raila Odinga - the same pattern is reinforced.

Your gratuitous reference to McCain/Palin is not supported by any pattern. For God's sake, McCain was tortured for the country he loves and Palin is the most popular governor in America. Her son is in Iraq!
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:55 PM   #111
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that pretty much sums up the obama freaks, nothing you say means a thing - we want change

Can't wait to see how they feel after being taxed to death
How much debt and economic disaster can this country stand without paying more in taxes. I for one will pay more taxes because by God instead of war lets do something really patriotic and pay the taxes needed without crying.
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Your gratuitous reference to McCain/Palin is not supported by any pattern. For God's sake, McCain was tortured for the country he loves and Palin is the most popular governor in America. Her son is in Iraq!
That shit is completely irrelevant and by God no one should vote for those two Bush camp clean-up hitters because of it.
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Two things - if this is a big deal why isn't Fox "Terrorist Fist Jab" News Channel all over it?

And, how do those who think Obama is "Anti-American" feel about Todd Palin's membership in the AIP, and Sarah Palin's making of a video for the same group as recently as this year?
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:19 PM   #116
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I am guessing he is not allowed in to the shower. The military does know how to protect its own.
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1. There is abundant video showing Obama supporting Odinga. I have posted a couple in this thread. It is useless to deny Obama's endorsement of Raila Odinga. Odinga is a marxist, a Muslim, and Obama went there to campaign for Odinga against the US-backed Christian president. Why did Obama not meet with the President of Kenya?



There's a pattern here - this isn't a one time deal, and Obama supporters cannot deny this. From Frank Marshall Davis to Jeremiah Wright to William Ayers to Raila Odinga - the same pattern is reinforced.

Your gratuitous reference to McCain/Palin is not supported by any pattern. For God's sake, McCain was tortured for the country he loves and Palin is the most popular governor in America. Her son is in Iraq!
Useless to point out facts with proof.

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