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Old 10-30-2008, 09:22 AM  
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Yahoo Article Calls Out Obama on Blatant Lies to the American People Last Night

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/...check_obama_ad

WASHINGTON Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.

Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

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THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

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THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."

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THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

THE FACTS: His proposals the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged although not in his commercial that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:23 AM   #2
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The first person who is shocked that a politician is less than truthful during an election campaign raise your hand.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:25 AM   #3
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Its out there if anyone cares. But all you mesmerized by Kim Jong Il-like demigoguery have long discarded the facts. You will get what you deserve.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:27 AM   #4
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The first person who is shocked that a politician is less than truthful during an election campaign raise your hand.

But Obama is a new type of politician. Didn't you get the memo?
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:32 AM   #5
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Its out there if anyone cares. But all you mesmerized by Kim Jong Il-like demigoguery have long discrded the facts. You will get what you deserve.
More fire and brimstone, Johnny. Thanks for all your unwavering support of ALL Americans, oops.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:33 AM   #6
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It really was almost funny to watch. This guy has no principals other than winning and would clime a flagpole to lie before he would satnd on the ground and tell the truth.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:34 AM   #7
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Let's see, last President to run on a campaign of promising to raise your taxes or cut your benefits? Mondale. Yeah, like any candidate is going to run on that program!

Campaigns are about vision and optimism. Promises from either side go the way of New Year's resolutions. All you get is an idea what direction they want to go, and you decide if you like the direction, and hope we get some good governance. I mean, unless of course, you enjoy hysteria. Then by all means, create a bunch of posts about the "end of America".

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Old 10-30-2008, 09:35 AM   #8
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Since when is an AP Writier a credible enough to make himself the primary source for a "fact check" on a politician?

He doesn't provide any citations to sources to back up his claims of "fact"?

Seems that McCain's Embedded Communications Director over at the AP's DC Bureau is earning his paycheck.
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I'd rather the guy just say I hate Obama, then run this ****ing charade.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:37 AM   #10
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But Obama is a new type of politician. Didn't you get the memo?
Most of the country spat on the most honest and principled candidate during the primaries. He was the only one offering the type of change that could truly get us out of the finacial and political mess we currently find ourselves in. Anyone voting for a republicrat is kidding themselves if change is what they are basing their vote on.
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Let's see, last President to run on a campaign of promising to raise your taxes or cut your benefits? Mondale. Yeah, like any candidate is going to run on that program!

Campaigns are about vision and optimism. Promises from either side go the way of New Year's resolutions. All you get is an idea what direction they want to go, and you decide if you like the direction, and hope we get some good governance. I mean, unless of course, you enjoy hysteria. Then by all means, create a bunch of posts about the "end of America".

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Not everyone undertands that and there will be MANY disappointed people when he doesn't deliver and they realize he is just another one instead of "the one".
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:00 AM   #12
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THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year.
I'm confused. I thought it was $250,000.

Are we throwing darts at a board or something?
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That article is actually a hackjob.

"I believe healthcare should be a right" is 'spin' because he didn't specifically guarantee we'd have it? WTF?

And that last point wasn't a refutation at all. Just a damn suspicion.
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I'm confused. I thought it was $250,000.

Are we throwing darts at a board or something?
It was but then he changed it
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I'd rather the guy just say I hate Obama, then run this ****ing charade.
Dude had to run a 600 word piece.
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