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Old 10-31-2008, 10:30 AM  
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You are dangerously naive. Call me anything you want, but my sacred duty is to defend our country and its interests. The Generals I am working for do not share you happy talk scenario.
I am interested to see if you have ever seen this, and what your take on it is....

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Old 10-31-2008, 10:44 AM   #2
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:45 AM   #3
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Old 10-31-2008, 11:05 AM   #4
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The military budget has gone beyond ridiculous. over 600b /year not including special appropriations like the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is why when I heard Obama saying military spending is going to be cut I don't mind at all.
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Old 10-31-2008, 11:19 AM   #5
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The military budget has gone beyond ridiculous. over 600b /year not including special appropriations like the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is why when I heard Obama saying military spending is going to be cut I don't mind at all.
Military spending as a fraction of the overall budget is low compared to it's historical levels. It's also pretty low as a fraction of our national GDP. If government spending is your beef, your problem ought to be, first and foremost, with the other parts of the budget. It makes no sense at all to me that people want to take a huge chunk out of our military budget at the same time the world is becoming more, not less, dangerous.
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Old 10-31-2008, 12:27 PM   #6
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Military spending as a fraction of the overall budget is low compared to it's historical levels. It's also pretty low as a fraction of our national GDP. If government spending is your beef, your problem ought to be, first and foremost, with the other parts of the budget. It makes no sense at all to me that people want to take a huge chunk out of our military budget at the same time the world is becoming more, not less, dangerous.
Any suggestions?
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Old 10-31-2008, 12:43 PM   #7
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Any suggestions?
For what?
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For what?
What "other parts of the budget", dummah.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:00 PM   #9
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What "other parts of the budget", dummah.
Don't be cryptic. What are you looking for here, ideas for cutting the budget? If so, yeah, cut the hell out of the rest of the discretionary budget and the entitlements. And when you can't find specific programs to cut, restrain the growth for the rest of the spending.

If you want a more specific idea, then think about your favorite non-military program. Now cut it.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:04 PM   #10
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:25 PM   #11
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Don't be cryptic. What are you looking for here, ideas for cutting the budget? If so, yeah, cut the hell out of the rest of the discretionary budget and the entitlements. And when you can't find specific programs to cut, restrain the growth for the rest of the spending.

If you want a more specific idea, then think about your favorite non-military program. Now cut it.
I've got one! How about subsidies to rich corporations, oil moguls, and life sucking agribusinesses?
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I've got one! How about subsidies to rich corporations, oil moguls, and life sucking agribusinesses?
Those are included in my plan.
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The military budget has gone beyond ridiculous. over 600b /year not including special appropriations like the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is why when I heard Obama saying military spending is going to be cut I don't mind at all.
If you want to keep the minimum manning approach to the military you need better and more sophisticated weaponry than those that wish you harm. The problem with military spending is we cut it when we think everything is peachy and then we have to build up from the cuts we made previously when shit gets dicey.

IMHO the roll of Govt is first and foremost defense of the nation.
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Old 11-01-2008, 01:51 AM   #15
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Discretionary spending, the portion of the budget subject to annual review or budget debate, has risen 152 percent since 1965. Mandatory spending, consisting mostly of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, which run on autopilot, has risen 759 percent since 1965.
Discretionary spending includes the defense budget. These are the facts my friends.

The Global War on Terrorism claims just below 4% of the GDP. Compare to WW II when defense spending cost 38% of the GDP. Gross Domestic Product = all the money generated by the American economy.
At 4 percent of GDP, defense spending is 1.5 percentage points of GDP below the 45-year historical average and well below Cold War and Vietnam War levels.

In WW II, we were not attacked in the continental United States. We were attacked by military at a military installation (Pearl Harbor) on 7 DEC 1941. On September 11, 2001 we were attacked in the continental US at no less than 3 locations by foreign terrorists who had declared war on the US.

Right now we have 2 million uniformed servicemembers defending 310 million citizens. My question is, why aren't more military age men doing their share?

The video trailer you linked to seems to be making the case that in 2008 we are in danger of allowing profiteering by private organizations in the name of national defense. That argument is bereft of any real proof seeing the size of our force (mandated by the US Congress) is so small that we are very dependent on three things to keep our strategic defense committments: technology, fuel, and hired civilian manpower. The real argument against your trailer's thesis is this: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines are reenlisting at record rates even though most know for a fact that multiple combat deployments lay ahead.

The world is still a dangerous place. Reducing our military expenditures can only place us at increased risk.

I would remind our readers that regime change in Iraq was the official policy of the US government since President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law exactly 10 years ago to the day.

I applaud all conscienteous efforts to monitor, audit, and hold accountable any and all defense contracting agreements. Every appearance of collusion must be investigated and sound business principles in accordance with current law applied.

While government run organizations are never efficient, which includes the military, some must be funded every year no matter what. Defense spending is provided for in the Constitution. 95% of Mandatory spending has been grandfathered into law since the New Deal of FDR in the 1930s. Simply stated, the Constitution requires funding the Department of Defense, but not the sundry entitlements we have grown to take for granted.

Also, your video trailer cherry picks President Eisenhower's quotes out of context. It is precisely the virility of our 'military industrial complex' that brought the USSR to its knees. I am in South Korea right now. The S. Korean government spent $44 billion on defense in 2007 compared to $2 Billion by North Korea. The $44 Billion represents less than 5% of the S. Korean GDP, and they have 15,000 artillery pieces aimed at them from just a few kilometers away. The $2 billion spent by Kim Jong Il's communist regime represents a staggering 25% of its GDP.

So my question is, do you prefer a weaponized economy or a conscripted (draft) military?
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