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Old 11-03-2008, 03:53 AM  
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Obama in SF: My policies will bankrupt new coal plants

Senator Obama in SF, California in January 2008:
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Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It’s just that it will bankrupt them.




Greenism is the new paganism. Global Warming is it's prophecy of doom. Obama is willing to operationalize this theory at the expense of the Coal industry - which supplies 50% of the nation's electricity generation. In an Obama administration, the Coal Miner's Daughter might be proud but she'll be outta luck and her daddy could be out of work.
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:16 AM   #2
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:32 AM   #3
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I have very little use for people who build policy on unproven scientific theories. Coal is the source of 50% of all electricity in the US, but the One is going to tax, regulate and penalize it into extinction because he thinks it may be warming the planet's corps temperature?

You know, God has to be laughing at such nonsense.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:00 AM   #4
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I support the halt of building existing CO 2 emitting coal (and oil for that matter) plants. It is time to bring on line CO 2 sequestering measures. There may be other ways to wash CO 2 out of the atmosphere but those technologies have to be included in the operations of a coal plant.

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Old 11-03-2008, 06:06 AM   #5
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Greenism is the new paganism.

This almost has to be a joke.

Though seeing you post this wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:07 AM   #6
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Killer Austerity is coming, we should enjoy our 3rd world serfdom I mean it's not like we know how it works exactly. It could be that we thoroughly enjoy living impoverished.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:10 AM   #7
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Do away with the way we produce 50% of our power...freaking lunacy
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:12 AM   #8
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No matter what your political persuasion, anyone can see higher taxes, a manipulation of free markets, wealth redistribution and softness on terrorism is right around the corner.

Ask Biden.

Oh, and I mention that the One made these remarks in Pelosiville (San Franciso)? Hmmmm.... is the Obo is SF or the Obo in PA the real One?
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:14 AM   #9
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What I want to know is if the voters in western PA are going to vote for the One who calls them bitter (clinging to guns and religion), racist (Murtha) and now is plotting to regulate the coal industry practically out of business.

What the heck is wrong with you people in PA??????
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:17 AM   #10
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No matter what your political persuasion, anyone can see higher taxes, a manipulation of free markets, wealth redistribution and softness on terrorism is right around the corner.

Ask Biden.
All i see is the further decline of our country and the complete destruction of the poor/middle class. The wars will not end, the names and faces will though. Manipulation of free markets has been going on quite a while and as for wealth redistribution it won't be what anyone thinks more like The International banking cartel taking more of our money using left cover.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:26 AM   #11
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Drudge tried to push this story on Saturday and it went no where because the clip and what he said was taken out of context

Politico has a better write up on it
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Obama and McCain support similar cap-and-trade systems, which would make it prohibitively expensive to build new coal plants with existing, high-emissions technology. Obama's campaign said he was only referring old-fashioned, high-emissions coal plants, though he didn't specify that in the quote.

Obama was criticized in the primary for supporting "clean coal" as a senator and on the campaign trail, against the wishes of environmental groups, which consider it a fantasy.

The aide noted that in the same interview Obama said that "this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion."

"The only thing that I’ve said with respect to — I haven’t been some coal booster," he said, speaking to an environmentalist-leaning editorial board in the primary. "What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter, as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it. That, I think, is the right approach. The same with respect to nuclear."
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:26 AM   #12
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All i see is the further decline of our country and the complete destruction of the poor/middle class. The wars will not end, the names and faces will though. Manipulation of free markets has been going on quite a while and as for wealth redistribution it won't be what anyone thinks more like The International banking cartel taking more of our money using left cover.
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You don't destroy the poor/middle class by depriving them of economic opportunity; you destroy them by bereaving them of God-given ambition, character, striving for excellence and the world class quality produced by tenacious competition in a global market where 2/3rds of the players are still hungry. Making us into a fat, lazy dependent-on-government-so-that-everyone-wins society is how you really destroy the middle class. The Indians, Chinese and Koreans will soon be our masters if we continue down the spread-the-wealth-around ethic.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:39 AM   #13
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I have very little use for people who build policy on unproven scientific theories.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

This wholly incorrect line is especially rich coming from the guy whose job is to prance around talking about his imaginary friend.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:46 AM   #14
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You know, God has to be laughing at such nonsense.
Are you ever embarrassed by the way you post?

Ever?
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:56 AM   #15
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You don't destroy the poor/middle class by depriving them of economic opportunity; you destroy them by bereaving them of God-given ambition, character, striving for excellence and the world class quality produced by tenacious competition in a global market where 2/3rds of the players are still hungry. Making us into a fat, lazy dependent-on-government-so-that-everyone-wins society is how you really destroy the middle class. The Indians, Chinese and Koreans will soon be our masters if we continue down the spread-the-wealth-around ethic.
Competition for Green solutions takes into account the true costs of producing that electricity upon downstream environmental concerns. No one is trying to get rid of competition, just assuring that the parameters are understood in winning the competition. You can't just dump waste on your neighbors.

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