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Old 11-25-2008, 08:16 PM  
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Offseason 2009 - my plan

Assumptions:

Herm returns. Obviously I am in the tank for Herm - this is known. I do recognize though that even with all the excuses the team has underachieved. There is no two ways around that central fact. I still think we're better off with him back, but I know it's logical to fire him. If he is fired we're dealing with new schemes and this exercise is 100% impossible - so I assumed he's back.

We are picking somewhere between 2 and 6 in the draft and Stafford either goes #1 or grades out as a low to mid 1st rounder.

A significant bidding war erupts for Matt Cassel and we play in it but do not win it. Even if we are highest bidder.

Cuts:

Damon Huard, Devard Darling, Damion McIntosh, Ron Edwards, Donnie Edwards, Pat Surtain

Do not resign:

Adrian Jones, Pat Thomas, Rocky Boiman, all the DBs we signed in the 2nd half of the year

UFA signings:

JP Losman - I'm not excited about it either. He has major known flaws in terms of pocket presence and decision making. Not a viable long-term starter, but a guy to compete with Thigpen and as a good a veteran backup option as I see out there. I do not want to trade a draft pick for a Derek Anderson type.

Jon Stinchcomb - Right tackle for the Saints is a good pass blocker. With Marc Colombo, Vernon Carey, Jon Runyan, Marvel Smith, Stacy Andrews, Mark Tauscher, and Jordan Gross all slated to hit free agency and an excellent and deep OT class available in the draft this will be a buyer's market at right tackle. Stinchcomb is logical from a quality/value standpoint.

Jonathan Vilma - I thought there was no way the Saints would let him go as he is a building block for their defense but according to the following link if the Saints re-sign Vilma they owe the Jets a 2nd round pick in 2009. The only problem with that is they promised that pick to the Giants for Shockey. So if they re-sign Vilma they give the 2 to the Jets and then have to give their 1 to the Giants. That ain't happening. Vilma is very athletic, a sound open field tackler, extremely smart, and the leader this D so badly needs. Definite medical risk, but one worth taking because we are desperate at the position.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...r-for-shockey/

Jabari Greer - Once Surtain and his 7 mill salary is cut, legitimate depth at corner will be needed. With McKelvin's emergence in Buffalo, Greer is very likely to hit the market. Greer is an underrated player who came out undrafted and earned a starting spot on a decent D.

Some kicker to compete with Barth - Options include Shayne Graham and Mike Nugent. Both would likely beat out Barth.

Draft:

Round 1- Brian Orakpo DE Texas - Productive senior leader. If there's a QB we believe is top tier there I think we have to take him - that's a no brainer. I just see this as a really bad QB year.

Round 2 - Tyrone McKenzie LB S. Florida - Productive senior leader. 15 solo tackles and 3 tackles for loss against UConn this last weekend. Perfect sam backer for our D.

Round 3 - Eric Wood C Louisville - Productive senior leader. I saw a little of the Louisville - WVU game last weekend and he jumped off the screen play after play. Started with getting into a bit of a fight in pregame warmups and then just enveloped Mountaineers all game long. Excellent year for centers in the draft.

http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...TS02/811230682

Round 4 - Jordan Shipley WR Texas - Productive senior leader. Would fit right in working the slot as a 3rd WR and returning punts.

That gives us the following:

QB - Tyler Thigpen
RB - Larry Johnson, Jamaal Charles
FB - Mike Cox
WR - Dwayne Bowe, Mark Bradley, Jordan Shipley, Will Franklin
TE - Tony Gonzalez, Brad Cottam
LT - Branden Albert
LG - Brian Waters
C - Eric Wood
RG - Rudy Niswanger / cheap veteran replacement if we can find one
RT - Jon Stinchcomb
DE - Brian Orakpo
DE - Turk McBride on 1st and 2nd down, Tamba Hali on 3rd down
DT - Glenn Dorsey
DT - Tank Tyler
WLB- Derrick Johnson
MLB - Jon Vilma
SLB - Tyrone McKenzie
CB - Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Jabari Greer, Maurice Leggett
SS - DaJuan Morgan with a great chance of taking this job from Pollard
FS - Jarrad Page
PR - Jordan Shipley
KR - Hope Jamaal Charles learns - he'll need touches
P - Dustin Colquitt
K - FA / Barth

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Old 11-25-2008, 08:18 PM   #2
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:19 PM   #3
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:24 PM   #4
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:29 PM   #5
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Herm returns. Obviously I am in the tank for Herm - this is known. I do recognize though that even with all the excuses the team has underachieved. There is no two ways around that central fact. I still think we're better off with him back, but I know it's logical to fire him. If he is fired we're dealing with new schemes and this exercise is 100% impossible - so I assumed he's back.
This sets us back how?
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:41 PM   #6
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Sign me up for the Zouk plan.
My only changes:
Quinn Gray > J. P. Losman (or =) .
D-Mac stays one more season (insurance).
If possible, deal LJ for a top defensive player.

Great work, Mr. Zouk.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:44 PM   #7
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I see a ton of mocks having us pick Brandon Spikes in the 2nd.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:51 PM   #8
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I see a ton of mocks having us pick Brandon Spikes in the 2nd.
The problem with that in my mind is that we absolutely need need need a middle linebacker. What if Spikes goes in the bottom of Round 1? As it looks right now there are not a lot of other middle linebacker options in the draft after him, Maualuga and Laurinaitis. And there won't be any free agent answers out there in June.

I think Spikes is a good player but this is an issue we either have to resolve pre-draft or by taking Maualuga in the top 10.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:55 PM   #9
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Sign me up for the Zouk plan.
My only changes:
Quinn Gray > J. P. Losman (or =) .
D-Mac stays one more season (insurance).
If possible, deal LJ for a top defensive player.

Great work, Mr. Zouk.
D-Mac stays for insurance?

That's like buying flood insurance in the Mojave.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:57 PM   #10
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The problem with that in my mind is that we absolutely need need need a middle linebacker. What if Spikes goes in the bottom of Round 1? As it looks right now there are not a lot of other middle linebacker options in the draft after him, Maualuga and Laurinaitis. And there won't be any free agent answers out there in June.

I think Spikes is a good player but this is an issue we either have to resolve pre-draft or by taking Maualuga in the top 10.
Yeah the PRE-draft is crucial. Darry Beckwith from L.S.U. was on my radar as well but Vilma is certainly proven and needed here.
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:23 PM   #11
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:26 PM   #12
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D-Mac stays for insurance?

That's like buying flood insurance in the Mojave.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:34 PM   #13
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D-Mac stays for insurance?

That's like buying flood insurance in the Mojave.
I never imagined a homeowner would need flood insurance in the mountains, yet there are FEMA hot spots all over this rock.

But Sackintosh? That's just insanity.
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:54 AM   #14
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I've gotta be honest. I'd love for Vilma to be the next mike for KC. And I don't care if that involves Herm or Gunther.

I agree Herm will be back. But how much worse can it get!?!?! Oh wait....Gunther could ride on the coattails of coaching DT in his prime.

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Old 11-26-2008, 02:05 AM   #15
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I agree with a signing like Vilma...But Id rather take chances on Peppers or Haynesworth instead. That would be option #1 for me. The DLine is priority number 1. This draft is deep with linebackers and I think the Chiefs could find one there.

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