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Old 01-30-2009, 09:36 PM  
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Piloi + High Character Players = Randy Moss To The Pats

I wanted Randy Moss when he was market a couple of years ago. This place mostly hated Moss and thought he was a head case. I always thought he seemed like a generally good guy.

I have read one article after another talking about how Pioli is intent on building a team-first, high-character roster.

Then it occurs to me that Pioli traded for Moss.

He must have felt the same way about him, at the time. I'm not sure any of us knew at the time who Pioli was, or what his priorities were.

So my question is this...

Does Pioli's decision to trade for Moss cause you concern for his judgement?
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:37 PM   #2
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How many off-the-field negative incidents has Randy Moss been involved in since signing with New England?
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:39 PM   #3
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:41 PM   #4
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It doesn't have one bearing on me what-so-ever.

You have to be confident in your coaching staff, and the enviroment they have developed.

If you have a strong foundation, regardless of who it is, won't tear the team down.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:45 PM   #5
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You have to evaluate your team and the "bad seed". Every (head) case has to be evaluated on its own merits. The Pats brought in one player of questionable attitude.

So the score is: Pats/Pioli +1
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:47 PM   #6
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It doesn't have one bearing on me what-so-ever.

You have to be confident in your coaching staff, and the enviroment they have developed.

If you have a strong foundation, regardless of who it is, won't tear the team down.
I'm not so sure a clearly bi-polar TO would have held up, even in the Pats system.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:47 PM   #7
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What have Randy's character flaws been through his career? I think he was immature when he first came into a league with his I'll give effort when I want attitude he displayed when he got shit for taking plays off.


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Old 01-30-2009, 09:48 PM   #8
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How many off-the-field negative incidents has Randy Moss been involved in since signing with New England?

Agreed, Delano. Also, theory is the Patriots had so many "character players" in the locker room, that they could plug in a Randy Moss, who had some problems in the past, and not have him harm team chemistry.

The opposite of this would be Dallas, which collects low-character types at a alarming rates and regularly implodes.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:55 PM   #9
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Are you insinuating that he made a bad move by trading for Moss? I'm confused.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:01 PM   #10
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Moss has HOF talent when he is motivated, and when he is he is one of the most dangerous playmakers to dawn a football uniform.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:04 PM   #11
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I'm not so sure a clearly bi-polar TO would have held up, even in the Pats system.
Then they would have cut his ass the following year, but I can guarantee that team would keep rolling along like it never happened.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:04 PM   #12
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Just remember, Bellichik wanted Moss as well, so it may not have all been Pioli.

I think you have to take everything in the context of the situation you are in. In New England, they had a team that was winning and had some strong leaders in the locker room that would keep Moss in check. Plus it was bringing Moss back to the east coast, and I believe they got him at a relatively risk free rate for that first year. And the key was that the biggest thing missing from that team was wide receiving talent. So in essense it was very shrewd. Even more shrewd was going out and getting Wes Welker from the Dolphins to play opposite Moss...
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:08 PM   #13
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Are you insinuating that he made a bad move by trading for Moss? I'm confused.
Like I said, I liked Moss and didn't think he was the headcase that TO was. I thought Moss was worth the "risk" and felt we should have traded for him.

I was in the vast minority at the time.

Ultimately the Pats signed him and it worked out well for them.

Today we praise Pioli as a sort of genius. That same genius was the guy making the choice to sign Moss while we were trashing him.

I thought it was a good idea then. I still think it was a good idea today.

I guess it's a question for those who hated the idea for trading for Moss.

Do you stand corrected? Or do you consider it knock on Pioli (where he just got lucky)?
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:09 PM   #14
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The key is that they didn't build their team around a guy like Moss. They'd already won 3 Super Bowls and then added him as a final piece on their mission to rape the entire world.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:15 PM   #15
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Like I said, I liked Moss and didn't think he was the headcase that TO was. I thought Moss was worth the "risk" and felt we should have traded for him.

I was in the vast minority at the time.

Ultimately the Pats signed him and it worked out well for them.

Today we praise Pioli as a sort of genius. That same genius was the guy making the choice to sign Moss while we were trashing him.

I thought it was a good idea then. I still think it was a good idea today.

I guess it's a question for those who hated the idea for trading for Moss.

Do you stand corrected? Or do you consider it knock on Pioli (where he just got lucky)?
I guess, to me, he had the foresight to know that Moss had potential to return to his prior form. Regardless of what I thought at the time, that's a win in my book.
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