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Old 03-23-2009, 09:44 PM  
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:15 PM   #3166
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I said all of the same things BEFORE I even read your response.

There might be only one thing I can say that Walt has done...the entire series...that was gratuitous (killing Mike, but even that is open for debate). It's ALL been about survival.
Self-preservation does not justify murder. I understand that you and the other Heisenberg defenders think that it does, but it doesn't.

Planning and ordering the killing of Gail just to save his own skin does not excuse the act. Saying "OK Todd, your killing of the kid on the motorbike was just fine" is not OK.

That's the difference between Jesse and Walt. It's why Jesse is a tortured soul and Walt is a sociopath. Walt truly doesn't give a damn.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:34 PM   #3167
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Lots of people have rooted for Walter... opinions may have evolved but he's still got supporters. Hanks flaws are judging drug dealers as low life's and putting them away and not caring about them at a human level. Big deal, if your selling/manufacturing meth you're destroying people and the ones who love them. Why would people root for Jesse? He got his girlfriend back on the needle and she died. He's a loser, ignorant and foolish. He'd be dead if not for his Machiavellian partner.

There are no perfect people but Hank is wearing the white hat here even turning down his wife's plea to fabricate his statement after he whipped Jesses ass.
I rooted for Walter, pretty much until he started working for Gus. His actions up until that time were reasonable for a man in his condition. He turned into a lunatic after that.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:36 PM   #3168
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Because clearly no one in the real world ever mistreats or harms the people they love. Wait...



1. Walt didn't shoot Drew Sharp. How exactly is he responsible for Todd being an impulsive idiot?

2. Walt poisoning Brock was a play to convince Jesse that Gus Fring was the danger that needed to be dealt with. That was about survival. The kid didn't die.

3. Walt watched Jane die because he knew that otherwise Jesse ODs a month later with a dufflebag full of cash, ZERO self-control, and a relapsed junkie girlfriend by his side. He was torn up to see Jesse so hurt by it. It was him who paid for Jesse's rehab.

4. Had Walt not snuffed Gale out, he dies at the hands of Mike. Survival again...



Walt has EVERY reason to kill Jesse, Hank, and Marie...this very second...and he hasn't...yet.
This is like rooting for a serial killer because they don't kill their family members and close friends.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:21 PM   #3169
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:51 AM   #3170
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I saw it asked earlier, but wasn't it revealed that Gus Fring made the call to warn Hank about the hitmen?
Yes, and he was also the one that sent the hitmen after Hank.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:52 AM   #3171
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Self-preservation does not justify murder.
If it was you, would you have just advised Gus to kill you because you believed that Gale's life mattered more than your own?
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:53 AM   #3172
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Old 09-05-2013, 10:16 AM   #3173
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If it was you, would you have just advised Gus to kill you because you believed that Gale's life mattered more than your own?
Would Gus have tried to kill Walt if his ego didn't get in the way? It's not self preservation because Walts ego and excessive pride put him in a defensive position.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:01 PM   #3174
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Self-preservation does not justify murder. I understand that you and the other Heisenberg defenders think that it does, but it doesn't.
There's no honor among thieves. All of these men have found themselves on the wrong side of what is pure and just. Walt is no more evil for killing them than they are for manufacturing or distributing methamphetamine.

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Planning and ordering the killing of Gail just to save his own skin does not excuse the act.
Remind me, who shot Gale?

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Saying "OK Todd, your killing of the kid on the motorbike was just fine" is not OK.
Which episode did this happen in?

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That's the difference between Jesse and Walt. It's why Jesse is a tortured soul and Walt is a sociopath. Walt truly doesn't give a damn.
The SAME tortured soul who was selling meth before Walter White ever re-entered his life. The SAME tortured soul who used a rehab program as a fishing hole for peddling more meth.

This "Jesse = good/Walter = evil" shit is a false dichotomy.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:03 PM   #3175
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This is like rooting for a serial killer because they don't kill their family members and close friends.
That's a horrible analogy.

Walter hasn't gone around killing a bunch of innocent people.
They've all been intimately tied with the manufacturing or sale of methamphetamine.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:55 PM   #3176
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Season 4. Episode 1. The Boxcutter. Holy shit.
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Season 4. Episode 1. The Boxcutter. Holy shit.
Yeah. I just finished rewatching season 4. That whole season is so Holy Shit! No fly episodes that's for sure.
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Old 09-05-2013, 10:42 PM   #3178
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Yeah. I just finished rewatching season 4. That whole season is so Holy Shit! No fly episodes that's for sure.
No episodes that define the series? No episodes that stand above just about all other episodes in the history of television?

I agree.
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Old 09-05-2013, 10:57 PM   #3179
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No episodes that define the series? No episodes that stand above just about all other episodes in the history of television?

I agree.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:32 AM   #3180
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If it was you, would you have just advised Gus to kill you because you believed that Gale's life mattered more than your own?
No, I would have tried to kill Gus before he killed me. Killing Gus is self-defense. Killing Gale is cold-blooded murder. There is a difference.
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