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Old 12-18-2009, 02:42 PM   #676
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:43 PM   #677
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:47 PM   #678
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lolz this thread is ripe with dumbassery
Ho boy. Love it when people use hindsight to make their arguments. I don't apologize for anything I said there. I was wrong, but I didn't say anything outrageous. I was deadset against Aaron Curry and to this day, I still believe that this was one of the worst top 5's in the history of draft classes. Curry, Sanchez, Monroe, Crabtree, and Raji were the only guys that were slated as top 5 potential players. And of those, Raji and Crabtree are the only ones I maybe regret not drafting (and that's a very loose regret for Crabtree). When people complain about not getting guys like Harvin or Moreno or Maclin, you're talking about players who fell more than 10-20 spots--that's a pretty massive reach. But in the hindsight game, it sounds like a great point. Tyson Jackson is starting to play a little bit better. And you don't expect a player like him to hit his stride until his 2nd or 3rd year. We won't know how well we did with this pick until next season or in 2011. Anyone who expects anything otherwise is being unrealistic.

To the second point, I know I was wrong with Stafford. I didn't like him, but I think he's got a bright future. While the Chiefs may have ****ed up on Cassel, the Chiefs needed a QB and their option was either to draft Sanchez, trade for Cassel, or start Thigpen. None of those options are looking any more attractive than the other right now. The Cassel thing looks like a ****-up in hindsight, but I'm still not convinced that there was any better, obvious alternative. Because if we handed $36M in guarantees to Sanchez, we'd be in the same position we are today.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:50 PM   #679
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Ho boy. Love it when people use hindsight to make their arguments.
The arguments were made back in April.

And it looks like the guys getting laughed at and bash for it were right on the goddamn money.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:52 PM   #680
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Ho boy. Love it when people use hindsight to make their arguments. I don't apologize for anything I said there. I was wrong, but I didn't say anything outrageous. I was deadset against Aaron Curry and to this day, I still believe that this was one of the worst top 5's in the history of draft classes. Curry, Sanchez, Monroe, Crabtree, and Raji were the only guys that were slated as top 5 potential players. And of those, Raji and Crabtree are the only ones I maybe regret not drafting (and that's a very loose regret for Crabtree). When people complain about not getting guys like Harvin or Moreno or Maclin, you're talking about players who fell more than 10-20 spots--that's a pretty massive reach. But in the hindsight game, it sounds like a great point. Tyson Jackson is starting to play a little bit better. And you don't expect a player like him to hit his stride until his 2nd or 3rd year. We won't know how well we did with this pick until next season or in 2011. Anyone who expects anything otherwise is being unrealistic.

To the second point, I know I was wrong with Stafford. I didn't like him, but I think he's got a bright future. While the Chiefs may have ****ed up on Cassel, the Chiefs needed a QB and their option was either to draft Sanchez, trade for Cassel, or start Thigpen. None of those options are looking any more attractive than the other right now. The Cassel thing looks like a ****-up in hindsight, but I'm still not convinced that there was any better, obvious alternative. Because if we handed $36M in guarantees to Sanchez, we'd be in the same position we are today.
saying you were happy with dumping money on cassel and drafting jackson at 3 isn't using hindsight to make my argument. it was ****ing stupid then.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:53 PM   #681
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I'm still trying to figure out how I didn't post in this thread.

I know I was busy...but maybe I just knew better.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:53 PM   #682
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Ho boy. Love it when people use hindsight to make their arguments. I don't apologize for anything I said there. I was wrong, but I didn't say anything outrageous. I was deadset against Aaron Curry and to this day, I still believe that this was one of the worst top 5's in the history of draft classes. Curry, Sanchez, Monroe, Crabtree, and Raji were the only guys that were slated as top 5 potential players. And of those, Raji and Crabtree are the only ones I maybe regret not drafting (and that's a very loose regret for Crabtree). When people complain about not getting guys like Harvin or Moreno or Maclin, you're talking about players who fell more than 10-20 spots--that's a pretty massive reach. But in the hindsight game, it sounds like a great point. Tyson Jackson is starting to play a little bit better. And you don't expect a player like him to hit his stride until his 2nd or 3rd year. We won't know how well we did with this pick until next season or in 2011. Anyone who expects anything otherwise is being unrealistic.

To the second point, I know I was wrong with Stafford. I didn't like him, but I think he's got a bright future. While the Chiefs may have ****ed up on Cassel, the Chiefs needed a QB and their option was either to draft Sanchez, trade for Cassel, or start Thigpen. None of those options are looking any more attractive than the other right now. The Cassel thing looks like a ****-up in hindsight, but I'm still not convinced that there was any better, obvious alternative. Because if we handed $36M in guarantees to Sanchez, we'd be in the same position we are today.
Im kinda disapointed in you on this one man. IMHO you should have stuck to your guns. Even if you are wrong in time, you shouldnt abandon ship so quickly on your beliefs. JMO

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A year from now, you could have hung your hat on that one if it plays out differently that current perception from here on out.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:54 PM   #683
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:58 PM   #684
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saying you were happy with dumping money on cassel and drafting jackson at 3 isn't using hindsight to make my argument. it was ****ing stupid then.
First of all, you have no idea what we're going to get out of Jackson. We had these same dumb arguments about Dorsey last season when he was getting pushed around like a stuffed animal. Judging that pick after 1 season is ridiculous. And yes, when people rip on the Jackson pick and then bitch about a guy we should have took that was taken 10-20 picks later, that's using hindsight.

I still don't mind dumping money on Cassel. It doesn't look like it will work out, but given that the alternative was Sanchez, I'm not convinced we did any better or worse at this point. Now, if the Chiefs don't aggressively go after some backup plan at QB this offseason, then I'll be angry. As long as they didn't blatantly miss out on a better alternative, who really cares if they ****ed up? His contract is essentially a 3-year contract, so you bring someone else in and you move on.
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:00 PM   #685
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I'm still trying to figure out how I didn't post in this thread.

I know I was busy...but maybe I just knew better.
Pretty much.
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First of all, you have no idea what we're going to get out of Jackson. We had these same dumb arguments about Dorsey last season when he was getting pushed around like a stuffed animal. Judging that pick after 1 season is ridiculous. And yes, when people rip on the Jackson pick and then bitch about a guy we should have took that was taken 10-20 picks later, that's using hindsight.

I still don't mind dumping money on Cassel. It doesn't look like it will work out, but given that the alternative was Sanchez, I'm not convinced we did any better or worse at this point. Now, if the Chiefs don't aggressively go after some backup plan at QB this offseason, then I'll be angry. As long as they didn't blatantly miss out on a better alternative, who really cares if they ****ed up? His contract is essentially a 3-year contract, so you bring someone else in and you move on.
Yeah, who cares if they ****ed up?

It's only another 5 years of shitty football.
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:04 PM   #687
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Ho boy. Love it when people use hindsight to make their arguments....

To the second point, I know I was wrong with Stafford. I didn't like him, but I think he's got a bright future...
I love it when people call arguments made in real-time 'hindsight' because they get brought up later and shoved down their throats.

And as for Cassel, don't beat yourself up too badly. You're wrong about almost everything you ever say, so there's no reason to get choked up about this one particular time you felt compelled to talk out your ass.
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I still say this team is better overall with drafting Sanchez. We could easily signed a vet like Kitna to take the reigns for the whole year or hell to the bye week.
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First of all, you have no idea what we're going to get out of Jackson. We had these same dumb arguments about Dorsey last season when he was getting pushed around like a stuffed animal. Judging that pick after 1 season is ridiculous. And yes, when people rip on the Jackson pick and then bitch about a guy we should have took that was taken 10-20 picks later, that's using hindsight.
Bullshit. We know EXACTLY what we're getting with Jackson: He's a 5 tech defensive end that makes absolutely NO impact. The ONLY way Jackson can impact a game is by swallowing up blockers which allows the linebackers to make plays.

Unfortunately, the Chiefs don't have any linebackers, besides Hali. And furthermore, just as suspected, Jackson is a ****ing TWO DOWN PLAYER.

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I still don't mind dumping money on Cassel. It doesn't look like it will work out, but given that the alternative was Sanchez, I'm not convinced we did any better or worse at this point. Now, if the Chiefs don't aggressively go after some backup plan at QB this offseason, then I'll be angry. As long as they didn't blatantly miss out on a better alternative, who really cares if they ****ed up? His contract is essentially a 3-year contract, so you bring someone else in and you move on.
Sure. Because Sanchez, a 22 year-old rookie that definitely struggled at times and may lead his team to the playoffs, would be a worse alternative.

You live in the land of Unicorns and Rainbows.

Or you're just a verbose ****ing dumbass that likes to read your own words.
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Yeah, who cares if they ****ed up?

It's only another 5 years of shitty football.
At this point, it was either make a 3-year mistake on Cassel or make what I think is a 3-year mistake on Sanchez. ****ing up when there isn't any better alternative is a different story.

I'm not pissed about it right now. A QB move had to be made. Like I said, I'll be a lot more pissed off if the Chiefs don't bring in a QB in 2010 and Cassel still doesn't look like a QBOTF.
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