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Old 04-25-2009, 02:27 PM  
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:56 PM   #736
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I keep bringing this point up but nobody seems to care.

Jackson was drafted to be a three-down player, and early in the season, HE WAS. He was playing 3-tech on passing downs. Clearly, the Chiefs thought he was worth taking so high because they thought he could be a dominating inside pass rusher by moving inside in their nickel defense. They even put Glenn Dorsey ON THE BENCH because they thought Jackson could do a better job.

While this dispels the notion that Jackson was drafted to be only a two-down player, if actually works AGAINST the Chiefs in this case because Jackson's pass rush sucked so horribly early on they decided they'd put Dorsey back out there again.

But, for the true fans, I guess they can hope that next season Jackson will find a pass rush. At least that would somewhat justify his draft position. Better than being a two-down player, anyway.
jackson couldnt even rush in college with all-world talent around him, nor was he especially adept at stopping the run. in fact the only thing he was known for was how inconsistent he was, which remarkably has transferred into the pros. who woulda thunk it?
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:58 PM   #737
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i dont buy the jackson to cleveland shit for a minute. youre telling me that it we didnt draft jackson that the browns wouldve drafted him at 5 instead?
It's nothing more than rumor and gamesmanship.

It's the equivalent to Buffalo taking Willis McGahee because Drew Rosenhaus was smart enough to realize that if Buffalo saw Willis on the phone, that meant someone was about to take him.

No one even mentioned Jackson as a Top 10 pick, much less Top 5 until late Friday night before the draft, when Rick Gosselin's mock came out - and everyone went WTF then, and are asking the same question now.
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:00 PM   #738
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jackson couldnt even rush in college with all-world talent around him
Did he even play as a 3-tech in college or was it strictly LE?

If so, you would have to wonder WTF Pioli saw in him that he thought Jackson could be an inside pass rusher. And they even ADMITTED in their press conference after he was picked that they thought he could play that position.
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:01 PM   #739
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Oher, Harvin, Moreno, Davis, Crabtree - hell even Cushing would have been better choices than Tyson Jackson.
And EVERY ONE OF THOSE PICKS WAS TAKEN 10-20+ PICKS LATER. JFC. You're mad because the Chiefs took a reach and then pushing for the Chiefs to reach for another player. That's not just the Chiefs that passed on these guys. That's tons of teams, many of which have very good scouting networks. That's a hindsight argument.

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It's not interesting. You're dumb. You clearly don't watch the games. Gilberry has better numbers and more sacks than Jackson.

Jackson is a TWO DOWN PLAYER.

Only YOU and Scott Pioli can justify taking a TWO DOWN PLAYER at #3 overall.
I do watch the games. Magee and Gilberry play a lot of snaps on third down on obvious passing downs. Dorsey and Jackson play most of the snaps on first and second down. You're advocating a 1-down player for a 2-down player.

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I hope you're smarter than this in real life, i.e. your job, your relationships, etc. because you don't understand ANYTHING about a 3-4 defense.

For the last time, a 3-4, 5 tech defensive end is NOT AN IMPACT POSITION.

Tyson Jackson could be the greatest 5 tech of all time (which he won't) and no one would even notice.
Who cares about how noticeable the guy is. His job is to make other people on the field a lot better. That's not much different from what a nose tackle does, and that's easily the most important piece to a 3-4 defense.

If you line up a legit nose tackle in between Dorsey and Jackson, and Dorsey and Jackson play to their potential, there isn't a single team in the world that will be able to run on us. Explain to me again why that's not valuable. I agree that a 5-technique is a bit high for a top 3 pick. But again, this was easily the worst top of the class draft in ages.
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:03 PM   #740
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we could have traded out of 3 and got way more value than just jackson at three thats my point
100% agree there. I would have traded back for half of the normal value with NO HESITATION.

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First off, you're misconstruing what I said so I'll say it again:

A QB (you know, the guy that's most responsible for wins and losses on a football team?) is MORE VALUABLE than a 5-Tech, 3-4 defensive end.

Got it?

I'm not going to argue your "opinion" of Freeman vs. my "opinion" of Tyson Jackson.

The bottom line is that all things being equal, a QB is infinitely more valuable to ANY franchise than a 3-4, 5 tech DE.

Got it?
Please, dont talk down to me. I understand everything posted in this thread fully. Just because your opinion differs from mine, doesn't mean you have to try to be condescending to puff yourself up. Im sure you have the respect of most posters here and it is unnecessary. Save it for more deserving posters. There are plenty here to choose from.

I agree 100% that the QB position is far more valuable than a 5-tec. BUT if you dont feel that the available qbs can be the answer, you dont just take one to take one. That is what ultimately dooms franchises for five or more years.

"I'm not going to argue your "opinion" of Freeman vs. my "opinion" of Tyson Jackson."

Then this is a dead issue. What fun is it to say "you are wrong, but Im not gonna talk about why"

Ty Warrren is far more valuable to a team than Kyle Boller would be.

Got it?

I find that I am in these debates often and people hopefully arent thinking I am happy about the pick, just that is isnt as bad as some make it out to be.
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:03 PM   #741
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Hold on.

So Harvin would have been a reach because of where he was actually drafted?

Is it possible that the teams that passed on him didn't need a WR?

That's like saying Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers would have been a reach in the Top 10 of their respective draft classes.

All it takes is one team to make a stupid pick, followed by others drafting for need, and you have a guy sitting in the green room way longer than necessary.
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:08 PM   #742
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I just hope we dont burn a couple first round picks on tight ends in the coming years like the Pats did...
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:10 PM   #743
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100% agree there. I would have traded back for half of the normal value with NO HESITATION.



Please, dont talk down to me. I understand everything posted in this thread fully. Just because your opinion differs from mine, doesn't mean you have to try to be condescending to puff yourself up. Im sure you have the respect of most posters here and it is unnecessary. Save it for more deserving posters. There are plenty here to choose from.

I agree 100% that the QB position is far more valuable than a 5-tec. BUT if you dont feel that the available qbs can be the answer, you dont just take one to take one. That is what ultimately dooms franchises for five or more years.

"I'm not going to argue your "opinion" of Freeman vs. my "opinion" of Tyson Jackson."

Then this is a dead issue. What fun is it to say "you are wrong, but Im not gonna talk about why"

Ty Warrren is far more valuable to a team than Kyle Boller would be.

Got it?

I find that I am in these debates often and people hopefully arent thinking I am happy about the pick, just that is isnt as bad as some make it out to be.
DUDE!

The VERY first thing I said was "NO OFFENSE".

Go back and read it.
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:14 PM   #744
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100% agree there. I would have traded back for half of the normal value with NO HESITATION.



Please, dont talk down to me. I understand everything posted in this thread fully. Just because your opinion differs from mine, doesn't mean you have to try to be condescending to puff yourself up. Im sure you have the respect of most posters here and it is unnecessary. Save it for more deserving posters. There are plenty here to choose from.

I agree 100% that the QB position is far more valuable than a 5-tec. BUT if you dont feel that the available qbs can be the answer, you dont just take one to take one. That is what ultimately dooms franchises for five or more years.

"I'm not going to argue your "opinion" of Freeman vs. my "opinion" of Tyson Jackson."

Then this is a dead issue. What fun is it to say "you are wrong, but Im not gonna talk about why"

Ty Warrren is far more valuable to a team than Kyle Boller would be.

Got it?

I find that I am in these debates often and people hopefully arent thinking I am happy about the pick, just that is isnt as bad as some make it out to be.
No, No, NO! You have think it's was a terrible decision and think it rihgt now or you're a 'true fan'.

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I just hope we dont burn a couple first round picks on tight ends in the coming years like the Pats did...
That's scary. This is scarier:

The last three years of NE drafting.




26 selections, and they hit on two. And one is a ****ing kicker. (Mayo the other)
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That's scary. This is scarier:

The last three years of NE drafting.




26 selections, and they hit on two. And one is a ****ing kicker. (Mayo the other)
**** me look at all the Pro bowlers.....
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:26 PM   #747
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Tyson Jackson, meet Aaron Curry.

I think the Seahawks would be MUCH better off with Maualuga, Matthews or Cushing.
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DUDE!

The VERY first thing I said was "NO OFFENSE".

Go back and read it.
DUDE

I know, but then you went on with a whole post with a condescending tone so I felt the need to throw a curve ball in response.

I was trying to have a little fun...
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:28 PM   #748
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Mike Richardson, Ryan O'Failaghan and Justin Rogers are all Chiefs.

And shitty ones.

Pioli sure can draft a kicker though!
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:55 PM   #749
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That's scary. This is scarier:

The last three years of NE drafting.




26 selections, and they hit on two. And one is a ****ing kicker. (Mayo the other)
I wouldnt go so far as to say they hit on only two.

There are a few decent selections there, but it is mostly a massive fail.

I posted a list of the drafted players from Atlanta and Chicago from the timespans that our director of college scouting (Phil Emery) was in charge of the draft in and it is a equally as "impressive" of a list.

I have faith that they will do much better in the future, but that is just basically unhealthy denial caused by my longtime love of this team that is deeply rooted.

At times I feel like what an abused wife probably feels like when she defends her abuser husband to her friends. Denial caused by pain.
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Old 12-18-2009, 06:42 PM   #750
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Tyson Jackson will probably be a ten year starter for us, and your lover Sanchez is gonna be a back up for the Raiders in 5 years.
a) The next time someone, anyone runs in to Dick Curl, please punch him in the mouth for claiming that Chiefs fans are "smart and know the game" on Hard Knocks. Thx!

b) Even if your absurd scenario were to come to pass, let me break down the Quarterback food chain for you:

Sanchez being a back up for the Faid = Matt Cassel out of a ****ing job, completely unemployable, and no longer a player in the NFL.
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