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Old 05-06-2009, 11:11 PM  
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Hali hoping for a fresh start

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The thought first occurred to Tamba Hali last year as he suffered through the worst season of his NFL career.

Maybe he’d be better off if he were allowed to drop some weight and move away from defensive end, where he was having trouble staying in one piece and fulfilling what the Chiefs saw in Hali when they made him their first-round draft pick in 2006.

So it’s in that light that Hali is looking at the Chiefs’ hiring of coach Todd Haley and their planned transition to a 3-4 defense as a good thing. The Chiefs are looking at Hali as an outside linebacker, though he could play some at end when they move to the 4-3.

“They’re trying me at different spots, but I’ve got to think (linebacker) is probably where they’ll want me,” Hali said. “Haley’s telling me both defensive end and linebacker, so I’m moving between both of them now.

“I can rush the passer and play the run while I’m playing linebacker. That’s basically what I did at Penn State, so I’m excited about that.”

It might be the last chance for Hali to resurrect his career, at least in Kansas City. The Chiefs once pinned huge expectations to Hali, the first player they drafted after naming Herm Edwards as their coach three years ago.

The new administration of Haley and general manager Scott Pioli has no such allegiance to Hali. They drafted defensive linemen Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee with their two top draft picks and added veteran linebackers Mike Vrabel and Zach Thomas.

Hali will have to earn his way, though the Chiefs will for now look for spots where he can help.

“He’s another guy that has some really good ability, and those defensive linemen, linebackers, whatever role he’s going to play, those guys don’t grow on trees,” Haley said. “He’s a guy who can make plays, and I’m for guys that can make plays.”

The Chiefs had a defined role for Hali when he was drafted. He was going to be the end opposite Jared Allen.

Hali did that well enough his first two seasons, totaling 15 1/2 sacks. But they asked him to replace Allen as the featured pass rusher as the right end last season after trading Allen to Minnesota.

Hali suffered there, and the Chiefs eventually moved him back to his original spot at left end during the season. His three sacks led the Chiefs, but they were the lowest total of his career. Hali also was bothered by injuries that didn’t prevent him from playing but did hamper his efforts to be the player the Chiefs expected.

He also could play at a weight more natural than the 275 pounds that he played at last season.

“I don’t really need to be 275 pounds. I don’t even need to be 260. Maybe I can be 250 like (Pittsburgh’s) James Harrison or (San Diego’s) Shawne "roidman" Merriman,” Hali said, referring to top pass-rushing 3-4 linebackers. “I’m more comfortable at that weight anyway. I was 275 only because that’s what (former defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham) wanted.

“Right now, we’re looking for speed.”

Even at a lighter weight, pass coverage will be an issue for Hali and the Chiefs. They didn’t ask him to do much of that under Edwards other than the occasional zone blitz.

“Tamba will be OK,” Edwards said. “He had dropped (in coverage) before. Gun ran some zone coverage where Tamba had to drop.”

Haley said: “We’ve got to see him do that. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen him (in coverage) other than some zone drops and things like that. That’s what this next couple of months is for, trying to figure out where these guys fit.”

Even Hali acknowledged he will have to improve in that area.

“That’s something I’ll have to work on. I’m not going to lie to you,” he said. “Covering receivers has not been my specialty.

“But I’m looking forward to trying it because I’m just being a football player. I’m glad about this because I just like to play the game. I don’t just want to be good at one thing. I want to be able to do everything.”
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:21 PM   #2
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Hali hoping for a fresh start

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The thought first occurred to Tamba Hali last year as he suffered through the worst season of his NFL career.

Maybe he’d be better off if he were allowed to drop some weight and move away from defensive end, where he was having trouble staying in one piece and fulfilling what the Chiefs saw in Hali when they made him their first-round draft pick in 2006.

So it’s in that light that Hali is looking at the Chiefs’ hiring of coach Todd Haley and their planned transition to a 3-4 defense as a good thing. The Chiefs are looking at Hali as an outside linebacker, though he could play some at end when they move to the 4-3.

“They’re trying me at different spots, but I’ve got to think (linebacker) is probably where they’ll want me,” Hali said. “Haley’s telling me both defensive end and linebacker, so I’m moving between both of them now.

“I can rush the passer and play the run while I’m playing linebacker. That’s basically what I did at Penn State, so I’m excited about that.”

It might be the last chance for Hali to resurrect his career, at least in Kansas City. The Chiefs once pinned huge expectations to Hali, the first player they drafted after naming Herm Edwards as their coach three years ago.

The new administration of Haley and general manager Scott Pioli has no such allegiance to Hali. They drafted defensive linemen Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee with their two top draft picks and added veteran linebackers Mike Vrabel and Zach Thomas.

Hali will have to earn his way, though the Chiefs will for now look for spots where he can help.

“He’s another guy that has some really good ability, and those defensive linemen, linebackers, whatever role he’s going to play, those guys don’t grow on trees,” Haley said. “He’s a guy who can make plays, and I’m for guys that can make plays.”

The Chiefs had a defined role for Hali when he was drafted. He was going to be the end opposite Jared Allen.

Hali did that well enough his first two seasons, totaling 15 1/2 sacks. But they asked him to replace Allen as the featured pass rusher as the right end last season after trading Allen to Minnesota.

Hali suffered there, and the Chiefs eventually moved him back to his original spot at left end during the season. His three sacks led the Chiefs, but they were the lowest total of his career. Hali also was bothered by injuries that didn’t prevent him from playing but did hamper his efforts to be the player the Chiefs expected.

He also could play at a weight more natural than the 275 pounds that he played at last season.

“I don’t really need to be 275 pounds. I don’t even need to be 260. Maybe I can be 250 like (Pittsburgh’s) James Harrison or (San Diego’s) Shawne "roidman" Merriman,” Hali said, referring to top pass-rushing 3-4 linebackers. “I’m more comfortable at that weight anyway. I was 275 only because that’s what (former defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham) wanted.

“Right now, we’re looking for speed.”

Even at a lighter weight, pass coverage will be an issue for Hali and the Chiefs. They didn’t ask him to do much of that under Edwards other than the occasional zone blitz.

“Tamba will be OK,” Edwards said. “He had dropped (in coverage) before. Gun ran some zone coverage where Tamba had to drop.”

Haley said: “We’ve got to see him do that. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen him (in coverage) other than some zone drops and things like that. That’s what this next couple of months is for, trying to figure out where these guys fit.”

Even Hali acknowledged he will have to improve in that area.

“That’s something I’ll have to work on. I’m not going to lie to you,” he said. “Covering receivers has not been my specialty.

“But I’m looking forward to trying it because I’m just being a football player. I’m glad about this because I just like to play the game. I don’t just want to be good at one thing. I want to be able to do everything.”

for a second I thought he actually called him "roidman". Anyways, good luck Tamba cause your gonna need it.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:50 PM   #3
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If he drops down to 240, he's got a chance.

Dropping 35 pounds will ease the pressure on his feet, knees, hips and back. It could make a huge difference.

Or not.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:51 PM   #4
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He might not be the best, but I think if he drops weight he can get us by for awhile. It would be nice, but we don't need Pro Bowlers at every position. I think he could at least be for us what Roth is for the Dolphins.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:53 PM   #5
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I think at 245 or 250 Tamba could actually be a decent player. He was slow last year, Hes got a long way to go.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:55 PM   #6
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:05 AM   #7
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Well I guess it's hard to suck any more than he did last year.

I just hope this coaching staff is more adept at identifying how to use talent than the last staff was...
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:09 AM   #8
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:07 AM   #9
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Did it really never dawn on anyone that Tamba playing 25 pounds above his normal weight might be why he's had constant nagging injuries the past two years?
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:12 AM   #10
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uhhh he sux. peace out
Well yes, him and 10 other starters on the defense. The guy did account for a third of the chiefs sacks - so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:33 AM   #11
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By ADAM TEICHER
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The thought first occurred to Tamba Hali last year as he suffered through the worst season of his NFL career.

Maybe he’d be better off if he were allowed to drop some weight and move away from defensive end, where he was having trouble staying in one piece and fulfilling what the Chiefs saw in Hali when they made him their first-round draft pick in 2006.

....

Hali suffered there, and the Chiefs eventually moved him back to his original spot at left end during the season. His three sacks led the Chiefs, but they were the lowest total of his career. Hali also was bothered by injuries that didn’t prevent him from playing but did hamper his efforts to be the player the Chiefs expected.

....

“I don’t really need to be 275 pounds. I don’t even need to be 260. Maybe I can be 250 like (Pittsburgh’s) James Harrison or (San Diego’s) Shawne "roidman" Merriman,” Hali said, referring to top pass-rushing 3-4 linebackers. “I’m more comfortable at that weight anyway. I was 275 only because that’s what (former defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham) wanted.
Some players can bulk up and still improve. Based on Hali's play last season, he obviously doesn't fall into that category for obvious reasons.
Last season could turn out to be a blessing. It's an entirely new defense and if Hali's going to play at a lighter weight he might become a useful situational player because he'll be stronger, quicker and hopefully more durable. If not he might not earn that arrowhead.
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Old 05-07-2009, 04:13 AM   #12
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:01 AM   #13
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“... whatever role he’s going to play, those guys don’t grow on trees,” Haley said. “He’s a guy who can make plays, and I’m for guys that can make plays.”
heh - guys with no role don't grow on trees.
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:28 AM   #14
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Is that more than him being a GAWD DAMN MORON or 2nd to it?

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Old 05-07-2009, 05:39 AM   #15
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Geez. The incompetence of that last staff is really showing it's ugly head. Here's to hoping Tamba can lose the weight and play at that position.

...I have this picture in my mind of Gun screaming at Tamba "Gawdammit, you need to eat more ****in' cheesburgers! Do you hear me, you ****in' beanpole?? EAT DAMMIT, EAT!!!"
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