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I am middle of the road leaning to the right. I came to the conclusion quite awhile ago there is not a party that cares or represents me. The right is a greed driven war profiteering group that hide behind bible belt facades. The left is a soulless group of wack jobs who sold out the working man years ago. of the two I find the left the worse of the two evils. Here is a tribute to one of their heroes.

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Old 05-17-2009, 09:16 AM   #2
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:22 AM   #3
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I am middle of the road leaning to the right. I came to the conclusion quite awhile ago there is not a party that cares or represents me. The right is a greed driven war profiteering group that hide behind bible belt facades. The left is a soulless group of wack jobs who sold out the working man years ago. of the two I find the left the worse of the two evils.
I agree with pretty much all of this, except your final conclusion about which is the greater of two evils. I also lean right (in terms of what the right actually is supposed to be about - smaller government and states' rights, not the blind uber-conservativism that it has warped into nowadays), but I've found that they're an equally soulless group of whack jobs who have sold out to the military industrial machine and big business. Given the choice between selling out to all that, and selling out to the working man, I find the latter at least a bit more honorable, since it is the working man that makes this country run.
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I agree with pretty much all of this, except your final conclusion about which is the greater of two evils. I also lean right (in terms of what the right actually is supposed to be about - smaller government and states' rights, not the blind uber-conservativism that it has warped into nowadays), but I've found that they're an equally soulless group of whack jobs who have sold out to the military industrial machine and big business. Given the choice between selling out to all that, and selling out to the working man, I find the latter at least a bit more honorable, since it is the working man that makes this country run.
I think you missed his point about the working man.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:30 AM   #5
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I agree with pretty much all of this, except your final conclusion about which is the greater of two evils. I also lean right (in terms of what the right actually is supposed to be about - smaller government and states' rights, not the blind uber-conservativism that it has warped into nowadays), but I've found that they're an equally soulless group of whack jobs who have sold out to the military industrial machine and big business. Given the choice between selling out to all that, and selling out to the working man, I find the latter at least a bit more honorable, since it is the working man that makes this country run.
I do not believe the left gives two shits about the working man. They sold out the "working class" a long time ago. They now look to tax those who are paying their own way to bail out those who do little to improve themselves
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:32 AM   #6
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I do not believe the left gives two shits about the working man. They sold out the "working class" a long time ago. They now look to tax those who are paying their own way to bail out those who do little to improve themselves
Oops, sorry, I misread your post. I thought it read, "sold out to the working man." In that respect, you may be right, and in that sense, both sides are equally despicable, they've both sold out the common man. I still find the modern right wing to be slightly the worse of two evils, though. However, I will give them this - they don't even pretend to care about the common man, so in that respect, they are a tad more honest than the left.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:36 AM   #8
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What's with all the Chappaquidick crap lately? I guess it speaks volumes about the lack of a coherent party or message when people are obsessed with something that happened 40 years ago but in the same day want to tell other people "you can't talk about Bush anymore, that page has been turned".

How many people go around wringing their hands about Watergate or Iran Contra decades after the fact?
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:38 AM   #9
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Where's the outrage over Laura Bush killing that guy with her car?
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Where's the outrage over Laura Bush killing that guy with her car?
What elected office does she hold? What party prades her around as some kind of saint? As far as Watergate lets see charges brought people jailed a President removed from office. Two months suspended sentence for killing a woman and held in great respect by the Dems........yeah I can see how these things could be confused.
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What elected office does she hold? What party prades her around as some kind of saint? As far as Watergate lets see charges brought people jailed a President removed from office. Two months suspended sentence for killing a woman and held in great respect by the Dems........yeah I can see how these things could be confused.
I don't care about it, but it has about the same relevance to the current status of either party.
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What elected office does she hold? What party prades her around as some kind of saint?
It wasn't so long ago that she was being touted as a possible GOP presidential hopeful, along with Elizabeth Dole, to rival the popularity of Hillary Clinton (though they dropped her like a lead weight when Hillary lost the nomination).

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And who is still harping about it today?

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The left is a soulless group of wack jobs who sold out the working man years ago.
Are you ****ing kidding me? The left sold out the working man? The right has made it its mission to **** over the working man for the last thirty years. It has been right wing corpo-republican policies that have killed pensions and benefits, made access to health care and education more and more out of reach, fought against safe and clean environments, pushed down wages, shipped jobs overseas, and allowed the country to crumble around us while the rich got richer.

The republican right may have paid lip service to the working man's taxes but the only taxes they cared about saving was the top two percent and corporate taxes. Making a base appeal to working families' pocket books in such an oversimplified manner has never been anything more than a ploy designed to get working families to vote against their own interests. Those corpo-republican tax cuts never amounted to anything for working families. Selling massive tax cuts for corporations and the top two percent was made possible by masking it in working-man rhetoric.

That has been proven by the fact that Obama's tax cuts for the middle and working classes have affected their paycheckes ten times more positively than any tax cut that Bush or Reagan had ever enacted. All The republican tax cuts did was make the rich richer while pulling the rug out from under our country's infrastructure (the general welfare).

It was right wing policies that allowed the huge oil companies and Wall Street to manipulate the market and gouge the working man. Right wing policies allowed the predatory business practices that range from usury, phone scams, to the massive fraud that was perpetrated by Wall Street. It was the right wing that pushed for the massive across-the-board deregulation that has ultimately left the working man holding the bag for the devestation left behind by those policies.

It is right wing policies that have taken the working man's tax money and shoveled it hand over fist into bloated corporate welfare programs and the military industrial complex.

All of these things the left has opposed. The left has been ostracized by the right over their stances on labor protections, environmental protections, equal access to health care and education, and minimum wage legislation. The left has been bashed for advocating regulations that prevent fruad and abuse, gouging, and market manipulation designed to get rich quick off the backs of the working man.

The left has been mocked ever since the so called "Reagan Revolution" began because of it's stances in support of the working man and you want to believe the corporate media's rhetoric that it is the right who has the working man's best interests more at heart? And only because of one single misrepresented issue? The tax issue is a big lie that the right has successfully sold and the corporate media has perpetuated. The fact that Obama's tax cuts have benefited working families far more than any republican tax cut should be enough proof of that.

You can go on believing the right-wing's propaganda but the proof is in the pudding. All one has to done is take a quick gander at the historical facts. Or just look at the stances taken by those on this board who have represented the philosophies of the left and the right.
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It wasn't so long ago that she was being touted as a possible GOP presidential hopeful, along with Elizabeth Dole, to rival the popularity of Hillary Clinton (though they dropped her like a lead weight when Hillary lost the nomination).


And who is still harping about it today?


You've had forty years to get over it. It's time you started.
Again what elected office does she hold?

I only replied to the poster who brought it up.

The left has had forty years to seperate themselves from him instead they treat him like a saint
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