The photos Obummer is covering up show rape & sexual abuse per military investigator

[memyselfI]

I've said it about the 'hard core' detainees at Gitmo and it's true here as well, the government's actions are aimed at trying to protect itself and the war crimes it's aware of and refusing to prosecute or outright covering up vs. protecting the country or, in this case, the military.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...show-rape.html

[BucEyedPea]

That is sickening. Is that how our govt uses our gay soldiers? I presume the male on make rape of the boy was not by a heterosexual....and a female taking pictures of it too?

[blaise]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

I've said it about the 'hard core' detainees at Gitmo and it's true here as well, the government's actions are aimed at trying to protect itself and the war crimes it's aware of and refusing to prosecute or outright covering up vs. protecting the country or, in this case, the military.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...show-rape.html

He's not trying to protect anyone but himself. The thing about him releasing the photos is he really has nothing to gain. The people he would hurt by doing so aren't any sort of threat to him. All it can do is make a certain number of voters have negative impressions of him as vindictive, and tie this issue to his Presidency in a negative way (and mind you, I'm not saying he's to blame, I'm just talking about P.R.). The number of people that would have that reaction would probably be larger than the number of people that would be swung to his side by him releasing photos. I don't think it's about protecting anyone, ok well maybe to a degree, but I think it's more about votes and image. You might disagree that it would negatively affect his image, but I think on the whole it might- at the very least it's a risk. There's really no risk in not releasing them. The people bothered by not releasing photos are going to vote for him again regardless, in my opinion.

[KC native]

If these photos do show rape then I'm with him on this. I've not weighed in on this yet because I wasn't happy with his decision to withhold the pics however in light of this I think it's imperative that those photos don't get out for the time being (after we leave Iraq and Afghanistan then they should be released). The pics would serve as a great propaganda tool for jihadists across the globe and would put our troops in more danger.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Welcome to yesterdays news, but it used to be merely a conspiracy theory go figure.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Welcome to yesterdays news, but it used to be merely a conspiracy theory go figure.

Originally from Sy Hersh back in 2004. Maybe even worse (see below).

If the story is true, people need to go to jail, probably lots of them. But I think it can be done without releasing the photo/video evidence publicly right now. It's a cluster**** all the way around.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/14/193750/666

"Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Originally from Sy Hersh back in 2004.

If the story is true, people need to go to jail, but I think it can be done without releasing the evidence publicly right now. It's a cluster**** all the way around.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/14/193750/666

"Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

I know i posted articles stating this a while back and no one seemed to care, raping kids in front of their parents? I can't even begin to tell you how disgusting this is. I've heard from military that were over there that private contractors were doing the worst.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Originally from Sy Hersh back in 2004. Maybe even worse (see below).

If the story is true, people need to go to jail, probably lots of them. But I think it can be done without releasing the photo/video evidence publicly right now. It's a cluster**** all the way around.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/14/193750/666

"Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

So ****ing horrible.

[Amnorix]

If this is true, and gets out, we are so f**ked...

And people definitely will need to go to jail.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Originally Posted by kOZ

Originally from Sy Hersh back in 2004. Maybe even worse (see below).

If the story is true, people need to go to jail, probably lots of them. But I think it can be done without releasing the photo/video evidence publicly right now. It's a cluster**** all the way around.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/14/193750/666

"Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

Kos Kid!

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

If this is true, and gets out, we are so f**ked...

And people definitely will need to go to jail.

If true, Anyone who knew about this and anyone who tried to cover it up needs to go to jail.

[Donger]

I thought Obama said that these photos weren't anything spectacular, or something similar?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

I thought Obama said that these photos weren't anything spectacular, or something similar?

the source of this article is not exactly reliable. It's a british tabloid. So lets not rush to conclusions.

[memyselfI]

I posted a link to Sy Hersch's article which ALLEGED there were photos back when it was Bush covering it up. Now it's Busch Lite and we have it confirmed by the primary investigator so it's not 'old news.'

The photos should be released and the victim's identities protected. But how we will confirm that the perps have been punished if we have no names or faces to hold accountable?

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

the source of this article is not exactly reliable. It's a british tabloid. So lets not rush to conclusions.

Uh, the Telegraph is not a tabloid. It's one of largest and more conservative papers in the country. Who could report this that would make you believe it's true? The NY Times? Washington Post? Who?