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Old 06-05-2009, 11:18 PM  
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Gallup: 58% of conservatives & 69% of all Americans support gays in the military

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Poll: Even Conservatives Are In Favor Of Gays In The Military
By Eric Kleefeld - June 5, 2009, 4:01PM

A new Gallup poll finds an overwhelming majority of Americans, 69%, in favor of allowing gays to serve openly in the military -- it's so big in fact, that even self-identified conservatives are for it.

The polling internals show 58% of conservatives in favor, plus 86% of liberals and 77% of moderates, for the overall top-line of 69%.

Back in 2004, 63% of Americans were in favor, with 83% of liberals, 72% of moderates, and 46% of conservatives.

This does invite an important question: Is a center-right country like the United States ready to have gays serving in the military?
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Old 06-06-2009, 06:27 AM   #2
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I don't have any problem with it. The (decreasingly) sticky political problem is that the group who really, really opposes it with intensity is larger than the group that really, really supports it with intensity. And also, I'd suspect that a disproportionate number of those who oppose it are in the military.
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Old 06-06-2009, 07:01 AM   #3
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:57 AM   #4
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Well, the majority of people are pro life, and the majority of people are against gay marriages. What's your point?

This country is run by the whims of a few. The idea that we are a democracy or even a democratic republic reached obsolescence a long time ago.
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:25 AM   #5
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Well, the majority of people are pro life, and the majority of people are against gay marriages. What's your point?

This country is run by the whims of a few. The idea that we are a democracy or even a democratic republic reached obsolescence a long time ago.
Yet 68% want Roe vs. Wade to remain.
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:31 AM   #6
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:39 AM   #7
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Well, the majority of people are pro life, and the majority of people are against gay marriages. What's your point?
That's not true.

The the majority of the public consistantly identifies as "pro-choice" (by a varyingly narrow margin) and further, only about 20% of American's want to ban abortion completely.

25% want unrestricted access to it. The rest (about 55%) support it in some circumstances, but with restrictions.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/27628/pub...on-labels.aspx

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Old 06-06-2009, 11:27 AM   #8
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That's not true.

The the majority of the public consistantly identifies as "pro-choice" (by a varyingly narrow margin) and further, only about 20% of American's want to ban abortion completely.

25% want unrestricted access to it. The rest (about 55%) support it in some circumstances, but with restrictions.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/27628/pub...on-labels.aspx
You're behind the times. Gallup recently found that more Americans identify as pro-life for the first time.

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Old 06-06-2009, 11:51 AM   #9
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You're behind the times. Gallup recently found that more Americans identify as pro-life for the first time.

Interesting. I stand corrected. I'd be curious to see the policy particulars that were in my link updated for today.
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:55 AM   #10
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Interesting. I stand corrected. I'd be curious to see the policy particulars that were in my link updated for today.
It was at your link...



Still only 23% want it completely banned (the pro-life movement's position).
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:03 PM   #11
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Still only 23% want it completely banned (the pro-life movement's position).
That's doubled since 1996.

And 72% want it completely banned or only legal under certain circumstances.

Less than 1 in 4 want it legal under any circumstances. That's down from 34 percent in 1996.

It looks to me like a long-term trend has developed.
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:20 PM   #12
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That's doubled since 1996.

And 72% want it completely banned or only legal under certain circumstances.

Less than 1 in 4 want it legal under any circumstances. That's down from 34 percent in 1996.

It looks to me like a long-term trend has developed.
The trend is to legal with some restrictions.
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:24 PM   #13
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Still only 23% want it completely banned (the pro-life movement's position).
Yes and the Pro-Choice Movement want it up until the actual "full birth". On demand (you can get a hernia operation done on demand) and no parental notification for those under 18 or 16 whatever is legal adult in that state for medical decisions.

The point is most Americans stand somewhere between complete outlawing of abortion and abortion on demand at any part of the pregnancy until full birth. The problem is both parties power and money come from the extreme ends.
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Old 06-07-2009, 08:52 AM   #14
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Gays should be openly allowed to serve their country. We are in 2 wars, who knows whats going to happen in North Korea and Iran?

The same argument against gays openly serving is the same agruments that were used to prevent women and blacks from serving alongside males and white americans.

We need to grow the fu%^ up and get over this homophobia. We can't afford to have 10% of the population of the USA not elgible to serve their country in a time of war.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:28 AM   #15
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The same argument against gays openly serving is the same agruments that were used to prevent women and blacks from serving alongside males and white americans.
you live in a world wihere you concetrate on the adjectives too much, IMO.

did you know that the military was intergrated until the stroke of the pen by Woodrow Wilson?

I really dislike that guy.
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