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Old 06-13-2009, 06:55 PM  
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PETER HITCHENS: You can't hear the jackboots, but this is still oppressionLast updated at 10:39 PM on 13th June 2009

We used to think that Communism would arrive in this country on the bayonets of Soviet soldiers, if it came at all. We never realised that it would instead materialise amid our freedom and prosperity, step by tiny step, in the form of bureaucratic interference and political correctness.

As one of the few British people who has actually lived in a Communist country (Moscow in the early Nineties, since you ask), I know better than most what such societies feel like, and how they work. And in the past two weeks I have seen several developments in Britain which seem strangely familiar.

The first was a proposal to refuse school places to children who had not been given the MMR injection. I have no idea if the MMR is safe or not. But I know many thoughtful and well-informed people who believe that it damaged their children, or fear that it might do so. A free country would not blackmail individuals in this way.

The next was a sinister report from the 'Department for Children' demanding that prying officials be empowered to force their way into the homes of parents who prefer to educate their sons and daughters at home.
This is our all-powerful State's angry response to a growing rebellion, by mothers and fathers who are sick of seeing their children bullied, neglected and miseducated in the state education system, and rightly think they can do a better job. How can the commissars in charge of the Western world's worst schools be fit to judge how well a parent is teaching her own child?
The pretext for this invasion of privacy is a baseless suggestion that home education could be used as a cover for child abuse. Well, so it could, and so could piano lessons, dentistry or newspaper delivery rounds. But these are not subject to Comrade Balls's new inquisition. Why not? Because they don't challenge his desire to march all children into egalitarian comprehensive sausage machines, notorious as they are for violence, ignorance and drugs.

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Old 06-13-2009, 07:06 PM   #2
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Requiring innoculation against highly infectious diseases before letting a kid get packed like veal into a class with other people's kids, and setting some standards for the only teaching environment that have none whatsoever. . . Happening on the other side of the effing Atlantic? With all we have to worry about over here.

No, don't guess you'd be hearing jackboots tromping around GB.
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Old 06-13-2009, 11:38 PM   #3
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I have two children in public schools, and we will be homeschooling as of this coming school year. They just aren't being challenged. Teachers let my son slide with turning in homework and such because "he understands the work". Well that is not acceptable, and teaches no responsiblity. Also, we are Christians and want to teach him things like the pledge of allegiance. There are many reasons, and to each his own, but for us we feel it is right. I would submit that the dumbing down of our children is important, here and everywhere. I don't have a problem with vaccines, we have always vaccinated our children (we have 3), but I believe this should be a choice to be made by parents, not the government. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:54 AM   #4
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Neo-McCarthyism. Godwin's Law. Good times!

But I am kind of curious why Sht4Brns took a break from his usual Obama-bashing to tell us about goings-on in Great Britain.
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:57 AM   #5
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Requiring innoculation against highly infectious diseases before letting a kid get packed like veal into a class with other people's kids, and setting some standards for the only teaching environment that have none whatsoever. . . Happening on the other side of the effing Atlantic? With all we have to worry about over here.

No, don't guess you'd be hearing jackboots tromping around GB.

Who gets to set the standards for what I teach my kid in my own home? You and Banyon? Some education Czar?

Let's not pretend that this stuff is only happening on the "other side of the effing Atlantic." People want to rob parental rights here too.
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:03 AM   #6
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Who gets to set the standards for what I teach my kid in my own home? You and Banyon? Some education Czar?

Let's not pretend that this stuff is only happening on the "other side of the effing Atlantic." People want to rob parental rights here too.
There is a need for some degree of standard. You may want the right to teach your kid that the Holocaust was all a lie, but then every employer in the country should have the right to say, upon learning that, "If you're that much of a idiot, I'm not hiring you." Perhaps a bit of an extreme example, but hopefully you can see the conundrum.
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There is a need for some degree of standard. You may want the right to teach your kid that the Holocaust was all a lie
Or that men dressing up in women's lingerie is not normal, acceptable behavior.
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Or that men dressing up in women's lingerie is not normal, acceptable behavior.
Name a school that is teaching that it is acceptable behavior?
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Who gets to set the standards for what I teach my kid in my own home? You and Banyon? Some education Czar?

Let's not pretend that this stuff is only happening on the "other side of the effing Atlantic." People want to rob parental rights here too.
Exactly! My kid is being raised to be a freedom fighter and pro free enterprise.
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:51 PM   #10
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Name a school that is teaching that it is acceptable behavior?
Oh come on, you've heard about King and King and Heather Has Two Mommies being read to kindergardners in public schools. It's one thing to live and let live but you gotta allow it on both sides.
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Old 06-14-2009, 04:20 PM   #11
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Oh come on, you've heard about King and King and Heather Has Two Mommies being read to kindergardners in public schools. It's one thing to live and let live but you gotta allow it on both sides.
There's a difference between teaching tolerance and teaching intolerance and hate speech. The latter is far more rampant in home-schooling than it is in public or private schooling. That's why standards are needed. Someone has to enact them.
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I will say this....I think the idea of home schooling is great. The theory of it.

The reality of it from homeschooling kids I have had contact with? Terribly socially awkward. It was like they were from another universe or something.

Maybe my sample size is small and my conclusions are unfair. That could be. All I know is what I have experienced time and again. Being able to get ahead in the real world mean learning about the real world and its ups and downs. A child in middle school or high school can put the work in to get more out of their education than the average student if they work for that. Not every public school education is created equal.

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There is a need for some degree of standard. You may want the right to teach your kid that the Holocaust was all a lie, but then every employer in the country should have the right to say, upon learning that, "If you're that much of a idiot, I'm not hiring you." Perhaps a bit of an extreme example, but hopefully you can see the conundrum.
So right now employers are forced to hire Holocaust deniers? Is that your point?
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