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Old 06-15-2009, 06:11 PM  
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Question for the Bible scholars...

St. Anthony.

Patron Saint of Lost Objects.

My wife prays to St. Anthony whenever something is lost. It could be something I lost, or anyone she knows lost. I can't recall this ever failing btw.

Anyway, we got into a discussion tonight about what to do if he holds out on you. My wife has never had to stoop to this level, but she says it is a ritual to take a picture (St. Anthony is usually holding the baby Jesus) and cutting them apart with scissors, keeping them separate until the object is found.

I don't care if you mock the claim, I just want to know if anyone has ever heard of separating St. Anthony from the baby Jesus as a ritual.

(Payoff for our bet is in the bedroom, Lord help me if this is blasphemy)
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:13 PM   #2
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:21 PM   #3
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Call me crazy but uhhh this has nothing to do with the bible....it's a catholic ritual.

BTW you're probably screwed right now anyway...because St. Anthony himself is lost....

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Old 06-15-2009, 06:22 PM   #4
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:25 PM   #5
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Call me crazy but uhhh this has nothing to do with the bible....it's a catholic ritual.

BTW you're probably screwed right now anyway...because St. Anthony himself is lost....

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...139/1207/GPG01
First, the bible thing was more of an eye catcher.

Second, as sick as it is, my wife and I laughed at your link. Rep.
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:25 PM   #6
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Hmmm. If it works, an explanation that makes sense to me is that the ritual itself provides a trigger for the sub-conscious mind ... removes the block preventing you from recalling the location of the lost object. That's my guess, anyhow.

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Old 06-15-2009, 06:25 PM   #7
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:26 PM   #8
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St. Anthony.

Patron Saint of Lost Objects.

My wife prays to St. Anthony whenever something is lost. It could be something I lost, or anyone she knows lost. I can't recall this ever failing btw.

Anyway, we got into a discussion tonight about what to do if he holds out on you. My wife has never had to stoop to this level, but she says it is a ritual to take a picture (St. Anthony is usually holding the baby Jesus) and cutting them apart with scissors, keeping them separate until the object is found.

I don't care if you mock the claim, I just want to know if anyone has ever heard of separating St. Anthony from the baby Jesus as a ritual.

(Payoff for our bet is in the bedroom, Lord help me if this is blasphemy)
I have NEVER heard of this "ritual"... Born and raised Catholic
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:27 PM   #9
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Hey... my wife gave me a little icon of Saint Anne.... Patron Saint of Lost Objects. Now I discover that St. Anthony is really the lost thing Saint... no wonder I'm still losing stuff!
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:27 PM   #10
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So, what's the bet?
It has something to do with losing something and then finding it blindfolded.

Again, Lord, I apologize...
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:30 PM   #11
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I have NEVER heard of this "ritual"... Born and raised Catholic
The whole cutting up a Saint's picture to hold him for ransom is a bit blasphemous in itself.

Not usually judgemental but damn that is a bit distasteful.

Do you threaten to burn the crucifix if you don't get good Christmas or Easter presents?

(if you DO.. and it WORKS... let me know.. I will start looking for discount crucifixes!)
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:31 PM   #12
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Hmmm. If it works, an explanation that makes sense to me is that the ritual itself provides a trigger for the sub-conscious mind ... removes the block preventing you from recalling the location of the lost object. That's my guess, anyhow.

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The funny thing is it can take days or weeks to work. Then she might be thinking of something completely differnt, not the prayer, and it comes to her.

Sometimes she dreams about it.

I know, rational thinking might explain it but I've seen it enough times to think there is something real about it.
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:34 PM   #13
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:36 PM   #14
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The whole cutting up a Saint's picture to hold him for ransom is a bit blasphemous in itself.

Not usually judgemental but damn that is a bit distasteful.

Do you threaten to burn the crucifix if you don't get good Christmas or Easter presents?

(if you DO.. and it WORKS... let me know.. I will start looking for discount crucifixes!)
Well that's why the 'discussion' started. My daughter lost her wedding ring and my wife told her to pray, and as a last resort to find a picture of St. Anthony and Jesus and cut it apart.

But in the end the point was moot. My wife right away prayed to St. Anthony and she knew right away the ring was lost in her bed.

If it's a mother daughter thing about where it would be lost I don't want to think about it.
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:40 PM   #15
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The funny thing is it can take days or weeks to work. Then she might be thinking of something completely differnt, not the prayer, and it comes to her.

Sometimes she dreams about it.

I know, rational thinking might explain it but I've seen it enough times to think there is something real about it.
Actually, that supports the "trigger" theory. I have no doubt that it works as you say. The question in my mind is "how"? The spiritual plane of existence is active at all times, yet if you're going to access it, you must be both receptive and available.

So, either the ritual functions as a method for creating a connection between your wife and the supernatural, or the ritual is allowing the sub-conscious mind (which already knows the location of the lost object) to communicate with the conscious mind (via dreams, while thinking of something else, etc.).

Either way, if it is working it means that something in the ritual itself is fostering a residual memory of the location. My guess is that it's simply removing a block that allows the sub-conscious mind to reveal the location. Kind of like self-hypnosis.

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