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Is this it?
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It is within a liberal's exploration to include a diverse ideology. I assume a conservative would explore their diverse perspectives. This isn't the same as embracing them. But the author of this thread is wedded to structure in his acceptance of his beliefs that it may hard to understand a liberals willingness to explore and recruit and at the same time analyze and contend with the expressions.
And of course a progressive is someone who drinks from both conservative and liberal sources. That would be Obama.
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Obama is a communist POS. His Obots are scumbags, too.
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He'd be a democrat like B.O.
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Look, we don't have time to tutor you on things you should have learned in high school, but here's a short article from Time magazine just to give you a "flavor" of Chicago politics, you howling moron: A Brief History of Illinois Corruption "What's a little Senate seat bribery between friends? Sure, Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is accused of trying to profit from the sale of President-elect Obama's newly vacant Senate seat. And he may have allegedly tried to force the newly bankrupt Tribune Co. to fire editorial staff members who were critical of him. And it's possible he traded favors for campaign contributions. But this is Illinois; as Robert Grant, the special agent in charge of the FBI's Chicago field office, told the press at the announcement of the indictment, "if it isn't the most corrupt state in the United States, it's certainly one hell of a competitor." (Read TIME's 2-minute bio on Rod Blagojevich) Reach as far back into Illinois history as you like and your hands will likely come out dirty. Blagojevich is the sixth Illinois governor to be subjected to arrest or indictment — seventh if you count Joel Aldrich Matteson (governor from 1853-1857), who tried to cash $200,000 of stolen government scrip he "found" in a shoebox. Matteson pulled a "how-did-that-get-there?" excuse and escaped indictment by promising to pay it back. (Oddly, this isn't Illinois's only shoebox-full-of-money scandal; after former secretary of state Paul Powell's death in 1970, a search of his home revealed shoeboxes full of hundreds of thousands of dollars in checks made out to him by unsuspecting Illinois residents who thought they were paying license plate registration fees). Lennington Small served as Illinois governor in the 1920s, during which time he was charged with embezzling over $1 million in state funds. Small went on trial in 1922 — while still serving as governor — and despite substantial evidence, he was acquitted and went on to serve seven more years in office. After his trial, four of the jurors received state jobs. In 1965, four years after leaving office, William Stratton was indicted on charges related to misuse of campaign funds. While he was acquitted, his successor, Otto Kerner, wasn't so lucky. In 1962, during his first term as governor, Kerner — a handsome statesman who had married a former Chicago mayor's daughter — made deals with a horse racing association, promising favorable race dates in return for $356,000 worth of stock at prices far below market value. He neglected to mention anything about it on his tax returns. Kerner was convicted in 1973 of bribery, conspiracy, income tax evasion, mail fraud and perjury and was sentenced to three years in prison. Dan Walker, a veteran of World War II and the Korean War who made a name for himself by heading up the investigation into the riots at the 1968 Chicago Democratic National Convention, came into office the same year Kerner was convicted; after he left, he started a savings and loan business and was indicted for making $1.4 million in fraudulent loans, which he used to pay personal expenses including maintenance on his 80-foot yacht. Walker pled guilty, saying, "I have deep regrets and no excuses." He was sentenced to seven years in prison but served only 17.5 months. The last governor before Blagojevich to be charged with a felony was the last governor Illinois had before Blagojevich, George Ryan. Prior to taking office, the cigar-chomping wheeler-dealer served two terms as secretary of state, from 1991-1999. In 1994, a fatal truck accident outside Ryan's office inadvertently exposed a scheme to trade truck operators' licenses for political contributions. The subsequent investigation, called Operation Safe Road, took years to complete; when it was done, 79 people were charged, including Ryan. The former governor was found guilty on 18 felony counts, including racketeering conspiracy, mail fraud, tax fraud and lying to the FBI. In addition to the license-for-money scandal, Ryan had exchanged government favors for family vacations, tickets to events and other gifts. He is currently serving a six-year prison sentence in Indiana. In 2005, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his most famous act as governor: commuting the death sentences of over 160 Illinois inmates. And those were just the governors. In 1895, a group of Chicago aldermen known as the Gray Wolves (because they preyed on the public) awarded the city's gas business to the fictional Ogden Gas Company — in which the Wolves were involved — and forced the real gas company to purchase it from them. There's also the state auditor who stole $1.5 million and used it to buy two planes, four cars and three homes before spending six and a half years in prison; the Prison Review Board member who voted to free notorious mobster Harry Aleman in exchange for getting his son a Las Vegas singing job; and the city employee who ran a heroin distribution ring out of Chicago's Department of Water Management. In Chicago's Hired Truck Scandal of 2004, trucking companies on city contracts were discovered to have links to city employees, convicted felons and the mob. And of course there was the time Mayor Richard M. Daley hired John "Quarters" Boyle — a man previously convicted of stealing $4 million (in quarters) from the Illinois Toll Highway Authority — for a Department of Transportation job. When asked in a press conference whether stealing $4 million from a public agency disqualified someone from a city job, Daley replied, "No, I don't think so." Boyle went on to take hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Hired Truck bribes, for which he was eventually convicted. "Everyone else was doing it," he later said. In Illinois, that may be a bit too close to the truth." Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz213il60FK |
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Oh, those "connections." He's also attended a White Sox game. Doesn't make him the third baseman.
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Meanwhile, the really important news has to do with Romney's pastry knowledge and whether he ever attended any Bain meetings while he was busy saving the nation's Olympic reputation in 2002.
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How did American progressives pick up British Fabian ideas?
In a book titled "Visions of Progress: The Left-Liberal Tradition in America", A host of discussion clubs in New York City between 1900 and 1910 brought together Socialist and liberal activists and intellectuals, who clearly felt they had much in common. That common property was the Fabian side of American reform. The flamboyantly named X Club, for example, begun by William James Ghent in 1903, had Algernon Lee, William English Walling, and Edmond Kelly among its members, and visitors to its meetings included John Dewey, Charles Beard, Franklin H Giddings, Walter Weyl, Norman Hapgood, H. G. Wells, and Emile Vandervelde. There were others whos reach extended even further, including broad-minded businessmen. These discussion clubs built upon the earlier cooperation among reformers of varying, but at that time vaguely defined, stripes within the Good Government efforts of the 1890s. New York's City Club had involved figures such as Washington Gladden, Giddings, Jacob Riis, Edward Devine(an important figure in social work), and Felix Adler(head of the Ethical Culture Society), as well as worthies such as Nicholas Murray Butler, John Jay Chapman, and Elihu Root. Here was a bridge between the old liberalism and progressivism. Its incredible what can be found with the right stroke of keys in a search engine. This pretty much confirms a thought I had earlier: (this is me quoting myself!) The reformers at all levels(national, state, local) went from a disparate movement of people with all kinds of beliefs, ranging from many (that) conservatives (today) might agree with to full fledged statists within about 20 years. How? Through the Fabian policy of permeation. As I've written previously, American Progressives were in fact reading Fabian writings. The Fabians and Progressives worked together in various academic settings. And now, they're getting together after work at political discussion forums. We have a full picture now to look at. I'm going to address some of these names: William James Ghent: (Club Owner), Socialist writer - In his book The New Appeal, he at least knew of the existence of Fabians, having written about them. Algernon Lee - Would go on to be the Director of Education at The Rand School of Social Sciences. For those who know the story of the London School of Economics, the story is nearly identical. Fabians like Stuart Chase were involved at Rand. William English Walling, an American Socialist. Edmond Kelly, who writes the following: The fabian theory of collectivism seems more sound than that of Marx. John Dewey - Was President for life of America's Fabian Society. Father of Modern American Education. Charles Beard - Taught at the Rand School. Walter Weyl - First editor of The New Republic. H.G. Wells - A Fabian Socialist. (Note the time frame. Yes, he left the Fabians, in the 20's.) Here is the bridge between the old liberalism and progressivism. We know how profound Dewey's writings would be for the entire education sector. But look at a guy like F.H. Giddings. He was over at Columbia University, while he would come to clubs like this and rub elbows with these people. Guess what kinds of ideas he brought to Columbia? The kinds that the people at Columbia wanted to hear. Permeation is not a one way street. Old liberalism circa the late 1800's(1880's/1890's, leading right into the first few years or so of the 1900's) was open to Fabianism because they had already abandoned the ideas of the Founders, and because the new ideas that the liberals were formulating on their own were very compatible with Fabianism. Take the 1872 "Demands of Liberalism". That's not the kind of thing that comes from the Founders' America, but an America ripe for the planting of Socialist ideas. That's why Edward Bellamy's Nationalism was so well received. You take old liberalism and it's budding lust for bureaucratic despotism, add Fabianism into the mix and the end result is Progressivism. It's no wonder that so many of the early Progressives, many that you would recognize, had friendly relationships with British Fabians. They were working along side each other in various roles, journalistic, academic, they were meeting at discussion clubs, and they were reading each other's writings. A historian by the name of Robert H. Wiebe wrote a book titled "The Search for Order". and on page 166 he writes the following: (Page 166 cannot be seen from Google Books) The heart of progressivism was the ambition of the new middle class to fulfill its destiny through bureaucratic means. That's how we got here. http://progressingamerica.blogspot.c...s-pick-up.html
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