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Old 09-21-2009, 08:25 AM  
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Obama, Stephanopoulos Spar Over Definition of 'Tax'

Chalk one up for George ! Obo lies and deflects, On National TV.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...8:b27830984:z0

President Obama and ABC News' George Stephanopoulos got in a testy sparring match Sunday over whether the president's health care plan includes a tax increase, leading the host to look up the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of taxes.

In the interview airing Sunday, Stephanopoulos pressed the president on his plan to require people to purchase health insurance.

"Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?" the host asked.

Obama responded: " No, but -- but, George, you -- you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase."

Stephanopoulos then offered the dictionary definition.

"I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam-Webster's dictionary: 'Tax, a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes,'" he said.

Visibly taken aback, Obama rejected the notion it was a tax increase and said pulling the dictionary out was a sign the host was "stretching" a little.

"No. That -- that's not true, George. The -- for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase," Obama s
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:34 AM   #2
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:40 AM   #3
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Wellll I'm for everyone paying their own way. you decide to save money and not get helath insurance. Something happens and the taxpayer is stuck with the bill. How is that fair to the taxpayer who is also paying their health insurance premiums and now has to pay for your medical bills also?

How is the law requiring drivers to have car insurance to have a drivers licsense analogy not applicable? No one is complaining about that.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:49 AM   #4
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Wellll I'm for everyone paying their own way. you decide to save money and not get helath insurance. Something happens and the taxpayer is stuck with the bill. How is that fair to the taxpayer who is also paying their health insurance premiums and now has to pay for your medical bills also?

How is the law requiring drivers to have car insurance to have a drivers licsense analogy not applicable? No one is complaining about that.
A car is a mechanical devise that can kill and do bodily harm.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:52 AM   #5
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How is the law requiring drivers to have car insurance to have a drivers licsense analogy not applicable? No one is complaining about that.
it's not applicable at all! You are required to carry liability insurance... that's for the other guy, not you!

Hearth insurance is for the holder.


a better analogy for you is seat belt laws..
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:53 AM   #6
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FTR, this is a sticky topic amongst Americans. We do need HC reform and all people should have HC, finding out how to supply it is the problem. I don't care what POTUS is in office, it's a tough sell to the public to get it right.

To be honest, it's almost a poison pill on getting re-elected. I give him props on addressing it, but he needs to listen to the people before drawing up his own plan and submitting it.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:58 AM   #7
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How is the law requiring drivers to have car insurance to have a drivers licsense analogy not applicable? No one is complaining about that.
You have the choice of not owning a car.
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:34 AM   #8
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it's not applicable at all! You are required to carry liability insurance... that's for the other guy, not you!

Hearth insurance is for the holder.


a better analogy for you is seat belt laws..
Thats my point. He/She should be forced to buy health insurance to cover "the other guys"(taxpayers) in case of an accident or an unforseen circumstance. Come up with a new health insurance plan. Like liability in car insurance. You crash your car, get cancer it kicks in but doesn't pay for Dr. office visits, medications etc. right now.

Why should the taxpayer be forced to pay for someones bad decisions or bad luck?
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:35 AM   #9
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You have the choice of not owning a car.
You also have a choice of who you want to procure your insurance from, and where you buy it from.

And the government isn't trying to corner the market by putting all your choices out of business.
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You have the choice of not owning a car.
Correct! Making people buy something they don't need is pure mafia tactics.
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Correct! Making people buy something they don't need is pure mafia tactics.
the health care "protection" racket.
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Correct! Making people buy something they don't need is pure mafia tactics.
BS. Their "freedom" is costing me and you money. Why should they get a free ride on the taxpayers dime?
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Why should the taxpayer be forced to pay for someones decisions?
that's the basis of the oppostion to current policy proposals..
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BS. Their "freedom" is costing me and you money. Why should they get a free ride on the taxpayers dime?
Do you have proof of this? If they want to adopt a policy of not treating people that's fine but do not tell me i have to buy private insurance or you will fine me.
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BS. Their "freedom" is costing me and you money. Why should they get a free ride on the taxpayers dime?
the "beat up on the freeloaders" argument doesn't work since the whole premise here is to rob from those of us who pay our own way to cover the freeloaders.
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