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Old 09-23-2009, 11:15 AM  
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Finance Committe votes NOT to post legistlation 3 days prior to vote

Even with 1 Dem voting for the amendment, the Dems defeated the amendment 12-11 which would have required the verbage and analysis from the CBO to be posted 3 days prior to vote.


Apparently John Kerry is on record stating "no one reads this stuff anyway".



Trillions of $'s at stake but let's not take the time to read the ****ing bill before we vote on it.

Democrats who talk about transparency and such can just kiss the fattest part of my ass.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...-votes//print/

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Earlier this summer, Mrs. Pelosi told a reporter she would allow a 48-hour waiting period prior to bringing health care legislation up for a vote.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:17 AM   #2
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:17 AM   #3
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:19 AM   #4
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:20 AM   #5
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That is just ridiculous.

"This is fundamentally a delay tactic," said Sen. John F. Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat."
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:21 AM   #6
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:22 AM   #7
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:29 AM   #8
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:30 AM   #9
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At first I was thinking that is crap then I saw this. Am I missing something?
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Instead, the panel passed an alternative amendment that would require the committee to post the full bill, in "conceptual" instead of legal language, as well as as a CBO cost estimate.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:44 AM   #10
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A couple of more points to make on this. The Finance Committee has always used conceptual language for their bills and the Republicans wanted to change that up to use legislative language which would have been a first in history for that committee. Basically they were trying to stall. That is what Kerry was talking about I will post the quote.

Second, Baucus is quoted as saying before they vote everyone will have the CBO numbers.

Third, this isn't even close to being finished. This bill gets merged with the other 6 bills so people need to remember that.

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Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) was blunt. “Let’s be honest about it, most people don’t read the legislative language.”

Baucus assured committee members that they would see a CBO analysis of the bill before he calls a vote.

"Absolutely, because that is the responsible thing to do," Baucus said.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:50 AM   #11
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A couple of more points to make on this. The Finance Committee has always used conceptual language for their bills and the Republicans wanted to change that up to use legislative language which would have been a first in history for that committee. Basically they were trying to stall. That is what Kerry was talking about I will post the quote.

Second, Baucus is quoted as saying before they vote everyone will have the CBO numbers.

Third, this isn't even close to being finished. This bill gets merged with the other 6 bills so people need to remember that.
No chit. People need to chill. There are at least 6 bills and over 600 amendments proposed so far. There is no final vote on this until Novemember or December. It's just sausage making now.
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so you dont think a 3 day period in final form and a CBO firm cost estimate is not needed?
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:01 PM   #13
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so you dont think a 3 day period in final form and a CBO firm cost estimate is not needed?
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A couple of more points to make on this. The Finance Committee has always used conceptual language for their bills and the Republicans wanted to change that up to use legislative language which would have been a first in history for that committee. Basically they were trying to stall. That is what Kerry was talking about I will post the quote.

Second, Baucus is quoted as saying before they vote everyone will have the CBO numbers.

Third, this isn't even close to being finished. This bill gets merged with the other 6 bills so people need to remember that.
I appreciate that, but I'm mostly just here to make shallow, sarcastic comments.
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:04 PM   #15
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At first I was thinking that is crap then I saw this. Am I missing something?
In other words, a "conceptual" version with no legal specifics so that conflation and lying is still possible all the way up to the vote, and no one will really be able to say for sure what's in it.
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