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Old 09-30-2009, 11:22 PM  
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Heard Limbaugh today talk about how the Dems plan to pull this off. Found it quite interesting. Maybe some of you heard it today as well. I copied part of his transcript here.

President Obama and liberals in Congress seem intent on passing comprehensive health care reform, even though polls suggest it is unpopular with the American people," just like bringing the Olympics to Chicago and over half Chicago doesn't want the Olympics. But, you know, the small-R republican that defines this country, representative republic, it's gone. It's gone. We may as well have a semi-dictatorship now. We may as well have a semi-tyranny now. Because the small-R republican that defined this form of government has just been white-washed away. Here's how they're going to do this: "The Senate plans to attach Obamacare to a House-passed non-healthcare bill" that has nothing to do with health care. You say, "Well, Rush, how do they do that?"

Well, they can do anything they want. "[N]obody knows what that legislation looks like, because it has not yet been written. Yet many members plan to rubber-stamp Obamacare without reading or understanding the bill. The Senate Finance Committee worked furiously last week to mark up a 'conceptual framework' of health care reform. The committee actually rejected an amendment by Sen. Jim Bunning (R.-Ky.) to mandate that the bill text and a final cost analysis by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) be publicly available at least 72 hours before the Finance Committee votes on final passage. The following four-step scenario describes one way liberals plan to work the rules in their favor to get Obamacare through the Senate:

Step 1: The Senate Finance Committee must first approve the marked-up version of Sen. Max Baucus' (D.-Mont.) conceptual framework.

"Then Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D.-Nev.) can say that two Senate Committees have passed a health care bill," Baucus' committee and Harkin's committee, the HELP committee. So you'll have two Senate Committees which have passed the bills "which will allow [Reid] to take extraordinary steps to get the bill on the Senate floor. During the mark-up last week, members had difficulty offering amendments and trying to make constructive changed because they lacked actual legislative text and Baucus made unilateral last minute changes. For example, the AP reported that 'under pressure from fellow Democrats, the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee decided to commit an additional $50 billion over a decade toward making insurance more affordable for working-class families.'


"Step 2," after the two Senate bills have been introduced on the floor, "Sen. Reid will take the final product of the Senate Finance Committee and merge it with the product of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee, which passed on a party-line vote in July." So the two health care bills in the Senate will be merged into one. Now, "Usually, a bill is voted out of committee, and then the Senate takes up the final product of the committee so that all 100 senators can have a hand in the process. With some help from the Obama administration, Reid [alone] will decide what aspects of the HELP and Finance Committee bills to keep." They're going to merge this, actually take what Harry Reid and Obama want from the two Senate bills. Then, when that's done,

"Step 3: Now, Obamacare will be ready to hitch a ride on an unrelated bill from the House. Sen. Reid will move to proceed to H.R. 1586, a bill to impose a tax on bonuses received by certain TARP recipients. This bill was passed by the House in the wake of the AIG bonus controversy..." So let me stop right there, because there's another step after this to explain how this is all going to happen.

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RUSH: Let me see if I can synthesize this and make the complex understandable. They want to get a health care bill to Obama next week. They don't want to have to go through the 60-vote requirement and they really don't want to go through reconciliation because there's been enough education now that people know reconciliation is only used for budget items, the rules prevent it for anything else. But they want to get this health care bill through because they're losing on the issue with the American people, they don't want any more debate about it.

So they've got two bills in the Senate. They got Harkin's bill, they got Baucus' bill, two different committees. Harry Reid is going to take the parts of both of these bills that he likes and merge them, come up with one bill and take it to the Senate floor. Now, after they've got their health care bill to the Senate floor, as you know the House has to do something on this as well. The House health care bill hasn't passed. But there is a bill in the House that's been collecting dust over there that has passed, it's sitting around. The Senate hasn't taken any action on that bill. That is a bill that imposes a tax on bonuses received by certain TARP recipients. That was passed by the House in the wake of the AIG bonus controversy.

So you have the House bill, and that's what Harry Reid wants to attach the merged Senate bill to. You say, "Well, how do they get them health care?" Stand by. That's the complex being made understandable here right before your very eyes and ears. Now, this move to proceed at this point does require 60 votes to start the debate. After the motion is approved, Senator Reid will offer Obamacare as a complete substitute to the unrelated House passed bill, with the cooperation of Pelosi. The House is not being left out of this. This is all part of the stratagem.

What this means is that the entire health care reform effort will be included as an amendment to the TARP bill that has been collecting dust in the Senate for months because the House passed it long ago, the Senate hasn't taken any action on it so Reid is going to merge these two health care bills, attach it to the TARP bill basically as an amendment and then have the TARP bill passed, the bonus bill passed in the Senate. Now, for this strategy to work, it's not smooth sailing. It's not like a hot knife through butter. The proponents here would need to hold together the liberal caucus of 58 Democrats, including Paul Kirk, who was named to replace Senator Kennedy, and Lieberman and Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

These members will all have to hold hands and vote against any filibuster. And that still remains the big obstacle for them. Once the Senate takes up the bill, after they've got the 60 votes to start debate, it doesn't take 60 more votes to pass it. Once debate has started, once they got the 60 votes to get going, after that all they need is 51 votes to pass it. And it's possible that one of the endangered moderate Democrats like Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas could vote to stop a filibuster, then vote against Obamacare so as not to offend any angry constituents. So that's going to be a big thing to watch.

And by that very little of this is going to be happening publicly. A lot of this is behind the scenes. You're going to wake up one day, if all this goes as Reid and Pelosi and Obama have it planned, you're going to wake up one day and find out that they've all voted on single payer health care with a public option in it. And you'll say, "Wait a minute, what happened to the House bill?" The House bill is the TARP bill. And the Senate health care bill becomes an amendment to it. Then you go to conference, everybody accepts it, signs off on it.


Once the Senate passes their bill, with their version of the bonus bill, sends it to the House, all the House would have to do is pass it without any changes. And Obama will then present it with his health care reform measure. If this doesn't work, then they're going to have to go back to reconciliation to pass the legislation. So they've still got some things in their way. It's not smooth sailing, but this is the plan. And, of course, one of the things that we say here, all we have to do in the House is just have them pass the bill without any changes, that's going to be tough because the House has its own renegades over there, and it's got, you know, Congressional Black Caucus and all these disparate groups who might not like everything in the Senate bill, the Senate bill might not have enough in it to satisfy them. So it's not smooth sailing. But what the point here is to give you a sense of the anti-American public sentiment that is fueling the passage of this bill. They know, Harry Reid and Pelosi both know that if they conduct the debate and produce the legislation in the standard way, that they won't have a bill by Christmas, they won't have a bill by next year, if they do it in normal circumstances.

But if they play rule games and parliamentary rule games and actually have the health care bill sent to Obama be a bill that taxes bonuses paid to TARP recipients that has an amendment, health care reform, they think that this is a way to get it done surreptitiously without a whole lot of people knowing what is going on. And if they do it this way you are now informed and advised and you will have a big say-so in stopping this. But the point here, folks, the small-R representative republic here, nothing to do with the Republican Party, it's out the window.

These leftists, these Democrats don't give a rat's rear end about the democratic process or what you want. This is all about the advancement of their agenda. And don't be fooled. Don't be fooled. They're going to try to ram something through by any means possible. They're going to conceal the true nature of it. If they get away with this, they're going to tell you that they're finally taking action on taxing the bonuses of these rich elitist Wall Street types, and they think that the class envy that they've created will have universal acceptance on the part of the American people, "Oh, yeah, tax those AIG bonuses, tax everybody else's bonuses." That's what they're going to do. It's going to be a feint and a misleading thing.
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'healthcare reform' is the end of this country...it's now or never.

The progressives will do whatever they can to enshrine it...because they know that's the end. they will have 100% control over everyone's life decisions after that
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'healthcare reform' is the end of this country...it's now or never.

The progressives will do whatever they can to enshrine it...because they know that's the end. they will have 100% control over everyone's life decisions after that
Precisely and the Dem party will be exposed for being hijacked by the radical left that IF passed could ruin them for a very long time BUT if they get this passed, to your point they still win by controlling everyone's life in the end. Let's hope 'we the people' continue to stand up and call this BS on the spot.
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