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Old 10-22-2009, 08:18 AM  
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10. Roberto Clemente
9. Paul Molitor
8. George Brett
7. Ted Williams
6. Hank Aaron
5. Pete Rose
4. Rod Carew
3. Wade Boggs
2. Stan Musial
1. Tony Gwynn

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Old 10-22-2009, 08:19 AM   #2
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You could argue about the placement, but he's pretty much spot on in my opinion.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:20 AM   #3
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didn't Tony Gwynn always say Ted Williams was the best... and actually i think Ted Williams said the same thing to Gwynn (that Ted was the best)...


i guess my list starts with Ted...
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:26 AM   #4
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i guess my list starts with Ted...
Mine would also. After that, you could make an argument for any of the others.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:31 AM   #5
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I realize that using the 1947 cutoff takes out some of Williams's career, but I don't see how he's not above pretty much everyone else on that list. Had he wanted a higher average I have little doubt that Williams could have done that, but if you've read about him you know that part of his hitting philosophy was that you shouldn't just be trying to get hits and get on base, but you should be trying to hit for power. He had great power numbers and had he not missed time for military service I think it's safe to say he would have had around 600 career HR.
I would have Williams #1, and I would have Bonds at #2. I know he did steroids which inflated his numbers, but he was also a great hitter. I can't stand Bonds because I would have liked to see his career without the steroids. It would have been great to be able to include him without any reservations, but you can't do that unless you're just blind.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:33 AM   #6
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You could make an argument to add A-Rod right now.

Pujols and Suzuki in a few years if they stay healthy.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:41 AM   #7
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You could make an argument to add A-Rod right now.

Pujols and Suzuki in a few years if they stay healthy.
Manny Ramirez, too. I think sometimes people see guys that hit a lot of singles for high average and say he's a pure hitter and discount guys with power numbers as home run hitters. Manny Ramirez is as much a "pure hitter" as Paul Molitor or Rod Carew, I think. He's a pure hitter with power. Carew hit like 100 career homers, Manny hits for high average and power. Which guy has more impact on his team with the bat? It's Manny.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:42 AM   #8
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As others have noted, you have a huge Ted Williams problem here.

GABRH2B3BHRGSRBIBBIBBSOSHSFHBPGIDPAVGOBPSLG
1939Red Sox1495651311854411312145107-643-210.327.436.609
1940Red Sox144561134193431423111396-541-313.344.442.594
1941Red Sox143456135185333371120147-270-310.406.553.735
1942Red Sox150522141186345361137145-510-412.356.499.648
1946Red Sox150514142176378382123156-440-212.342.497.667
1947Red Sox156528125181409321114162-471-210.343.499.634
1948Red Sox137509124188443250127126-410-310.369.497.615
1949Red Sox155566150194393431159162-480-222.343.490.650
1950Red Sox89334821062412819782-210-012.317.452.647
1951Red Sox148531109169284301126144-450-010.318.464.556
1952Red Sox61024011032-20-00.400.500.900
1953Red Sox37911737601303419-100-01.407.509.901
1954Red Sox1173869313323129089136-3203110.345.513.635
1955Red Sox9832077114213283839117240428.356.496.703
1956Red Sox1364007113828224082102113900113.345.479.605
1957Red Sox1324209616328138187119334302511.388.526.731
1958Red Sox129411811352322628598124904419.328.458.584
1959Red Sox103272326915010043526270527.254.372.419
1960Red Sox113310569815029072757410237.316.451.645
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:44 AM   #9
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Manny Ramirez, too. I think sometimes people see guys that hit a lot of singles for high average and say he's a pure hitter and discount guys with power numbers as home run hitters. Manny Ramirez is as much a "pure hitter" as Paul Molitor or Rod Carew, I think. He's a pure hitter with power. Carew hit like 100 career homers, Manny hits for high average and power. Which guy has more impact on his team with the bat? It's Manny.
Yep, forgot about him.

Hes going to get to 3000 hits too...unlike Bonds.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:45 AM   #10
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Yep, forgot about him.

Hes going to get to 3000 hits too...unlike Bonds.
Umm....maybe not....i just looked at his stats again....hes farther away from 3000 than i thought.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:47 AM   #11
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Ted Williams, the man.

Good list though. I used to love George Bretts stance and how he would finish his swing. very smooth.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:49 AM   #12
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The main things to note are that he missed a huge hunk of time due to the Korean War during this period (and as you can see he missed 3 full seasons due to WWII. Someone noted that he would have had "about 600 hrs" if he hadn't done the wartime service.

It would've been alot more than 600. Even in that pre-steriod era, he was averaginga bout 35 home runs per year, and he missed something like 5 full yeasr, that's 175 lost home runs. Added to the 521 he did hit, and you get to 696. More than Mays and second only to Ruth until the advent of the changes in the rules to favor hitters, and the advent of the steroid era.

Check out the '47 and after on base percentages and slugging percentages. His OPS is remarkably consistent at 1100'ish every year 'til the back problems got him '59.

Unless by "pure hitters" you mean "guys who don't hit home runs", then there's no way you put the lightweights ahead of him that you have (Boggs, Gwynn, Carew).
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:50 AM   #13
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Umm....maybe not....i just looked at his stats again....hes farther away from 3000 than i thought.
He'll get there if he cares enough to. You never know with him. Jeter's going to get over 3,000 hits, too and he hits over .300. You never look at him as a "pure hitter" though for some reason, at least I don't. I don't really know why. Maybe I just see the World Series titles first.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:51 AM   #14
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Great list. A young Ken Griffey Jr. is up there in my opinion.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:51 AM   #15
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Fun list, although some of these "pure hitters" I suspect don't help you win as many game as the power hitters and hitters that take a shitload of walks. I once heard boggs took the ball up the middle, gaps and to LF so much he only pulled a ball to the right side foul once in 10 year span.
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