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Old 11-04-2009, 10:44 AM  
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Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Accidents Caused by Sudden acceleration.

Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration


Anyone else been following this story? They had a pretty graphic show on nightline about it last night.


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Runawa...ory?id=8980479

Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars."


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Department of Transportation: underlying defect causes accelerators to stick.

More PhotosSafety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF THE RUNAWAY TOYOTAS STORY.

Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them.

Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'.

"I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal.

"I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden… my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down."

James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...at-recall.html

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Old 11-04-2009, 03:21 PM   #91
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I don't think you know what "initial quality" means. It means, at delivery, nothing is obviously ****ed up on the car. Big deal, that should be a given.
The report is how many vehicles per year have how many problems. If there are 1000 vehicles and 1000 defects their rating would be 1.0. Which is about average. The higher you go the worse the vehicle. Ford is up there with Toyota being far below the 1.0 mark. It is not when initially delivered.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:23 PM   #92
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WTF is initial quality anyway? Sounds like a pretty subjective issue. What are the criteria?

I f***ing hate the car commercials proclaiming that. Or "best in its class" when all they have to do is create some new BS class to claim that. Every freaking car is "best in its class". Stupid mother****ers. I hate them.
It wasn't a car commercial. It was Consumer Reports.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:25 PM   #93
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Ford has been doing a lot better in it's quality ratings, that's a fact.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:28 PM   #94
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It wasn't a car commercial. It was Consumer Reports.
OK, but they say that shit in commercials all the time.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:30 PM   #95
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See that middle video? I work there near Santee. The 125 freeway that they are talking about takes a lot of lives. It's a twisting 2 lane hwy. It's so dangerous that you are required to drive with your headlights on even during the day.

That hwy claimed the life of the daughter and granddaughter of a guy i work with.

To be traveling at 120 mph on that hwy.....that's like torturing someone before you kill them. That is awful. Really, really sad. That kinda ruined my day actually.
Yeah, that is some pretty gory stuff, sorry to have ruined your day.

If you do a Youtube seach on this topic, there are countless examples of owners with issues on this problem.

Some have gone to great lengths to verify the problem, in fact one guy had a 9 minute one recording the deception of the Toyota dealer Service Manager.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:31 PM   #96
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OK, but they say that shit in commercials all the time.
Yeah but I don't use commercials as basis for debates. Every single car company is best at the same thing in commercials. Its propaganda and false advertising. Which used to be illegal. Not sure if it is anymore because everyone does it.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:44 PM   #97
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Yeah but I don't use commercials as basis for debates. Every single car company is best at the same thing in commercials. Its propaganda and false advertising. Which used to be illegal. Not sure if it is anymore because everyone does it.
"Initial Quality" is just as stupid in the Consumer Report as it is in the commercials.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:46 PM   #98
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The dude who died called the police on his cellphone while the car was hauling.

The idiot on the phone never mentioned to change gears or use the emergency brake.

stupid.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:49 PM   #99
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The dude who died called the police on his cellphone while the car was hauling.

The idiot on the phone never mentioned to change gears or use the emergency brake.

stupid.
There is a lot of blame and regrets to go around in that case, sad deal all the way.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:50 PM   #100
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The dude who died called the police on his cellphone while the car was hauling.

The idiot on the phone never mentioned to change gears or use the emergency brake.

stupid.
The emergency brake wouldn't do a whole hell of a lot of good.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:52 PM   #101
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:53 PM   #102
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So, the two main points I’m getting here are:
1. Ford did something just about as bad so that lets Toyota off the hook.
2. HemiEd sucks for not liking ricers as much as some here do.

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Old 11-04-2009, 04:56 PM   #103
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So, the two main points Iím getting here are:
1. Ford did something just about as bad so that lets Toyota off the hook.
2. HemiEd sucks for not liking ricers as much as some here do.


If that's what you're getting from it, it's what you want to get from it.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:57 PM   #104
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Exactly. My FJ TRD performs at MOAB right off the line.
Is that the same FJ Consumer Reports rated low because of the drastically reduced peripheral and rear vision?
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:24 PM   #105
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Is it not true that braking systems on modern cars are more powerful than the engine/ accelerating force?

My understanding is that that when mashing the brake pedal you should be decelerating regardless of how the engine is trying to accelerate.

What about power braking,, has everybody done this? stand on the brakes & the gas at the same time in your car. it doesn't go anywhere until you release the brakes right?

just stand on the brakes & pull the e-brake at the same time you should be slowing down. I believe that all cars are designed with more braking power than accelerating power.

Am I wrong here? honestly the brakes are more powerful, so use them. maybe it takes a little longer than normal, but the case in so cal with the cop he is saying "we have no brakes", so were there multiple simultaneous failures, or did he freak out, and not stand on the brakes?

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