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No, he shouldn't have. iOS >>> Android. Especially when it comes to tablets.
Actually... you are dead wrong... Honeycomb ANNIHILATES iOS in the tablet space...

Do you know why there are so many more "tablet specific" iOS apps? because Android doesn't need an app to be tablet specific.. most "phone" apps flawlessly scale up to the size of the tablet.

If you HONESTLY believe iOS is a better tablet os, you are delusional or completely ignorant of how much better Android is... although even I will admit that it looks like WebOS kills all of them. I have a feeling Ice Cream will leapfrog WebOS though.
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Actually... you are dead wrong... Honeycomb ANNIHILATES iOS in the tablet space...

Do you know why there are so many more "tablet specific" iOS apps? because Android doesn't need an app to be tablet specific.. most "phone" apps flawlessly scale up to the size of the tablet.

If you HONESTLY believe iOS is a better tablet os, you are delusional or completely ignorant of how much better Android is... although even I will admit that it looks like WebOS kills all of them. I have a feeling Ice Cream will leapfrog WebOS though.
Ice Cream Sandwich is supposed to be open sourced. Thats huge.
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iOS is doing just fine, and looks to be for quite some time.......... Excellent news for me....


Gartner Says Apple iOS to Dominate the Media Tablet Market Through 2015, Owning More Than Half of It for the Next Three Years

Egham, UK, April 11, 2011—    Despite mounting competition from other operating systems (OSs), Apple’s iOS will continue to own the majority of the worldwide media tablet through 2015, according to Gartner, Inc. Due to the success of Apple’s iPad, iOS will account for 69 percent of media tablet OSs in 2011, and represent 47 percent of the media tablet market in 2015.

Gartner analysts said Apple iPad did to the tablet PC market what the iPhone did to the smartphone market: re-invented it. A media tablet is not just a different form factor to perform the same tasks that can be done on a PC. Tablets deliver a richer experience around content consumption, thanks to the ecosystem they support. The richer the ecosystem, the stronger the pull for consumers.

“Seeing the response from both consumers and enterprises to the iPad, many vendors are trying to compete by first delivering on hardware and then trying to leverage the platform ecosystem,” said Carolina Milanesi, research vice president at Gartner. “Many, however, are making the same mistake that was made in the first response wave to the iPhone, as they are prioritizing hardware features over applications, services and overall user experience. Tablets will be much more dependent on the latter than smartphones have been, and the sooner vendors realize that the better chance they have to compete head-to-head with Apple.”

Google’s Android OS is forecast to increase its worldwide share of the media tablet market from 20 percent in 2011 to 39 percent in 2015 (see Table 1). Analysts said Google’s decision not to open up the Honeycomb, its first OS version dedicated to tablets, to third parties will prevent fragmentation, but it will also slow the price decline and ultimately cap market share.

“Volume will be driven by support from many players, the ecosystem of applications for tablets getting more competitive and some platform flexibility allowing lower price points,” said Roberta Cozza, principal analyst at Gartner. “The new licensing model Google has introduced with Honeycomb enables Google to drive more control, allowing only optimal tablet implementations that don’t compromise quality of experience. This might mean that prices will drop at a slower pace than what we have seen in the smartphone market.”

Table 1
Worldwide Sales of Media Tablets to End Users by OS (Thousands of Units)
OS
2010
2011
2012
2015
iOS
14,766
47,964
68,670
138,497
Market Share (%)
83.9
68.7
63.5
47.1
Android
2,502
13,898
26,382
113,457
Market Share (%)
14.2
19.9
24.4
38.6
MeeGo
107
788
1,271
3,057
Market Share (%)
0.6
1.1
1.2
1.0
WebOS
0
2,796
4,245
8,886
Market Share (%)
0.0
4.0
3.9
3.0
QNX
0
3,901
7,134
29,496
Market Share (%)
0.0
5.6
6.6
10.0
Other Operating Systems
234
432
510
700
Market Share (%)
1.3
0.6
0.5
0.2
Total Market
17,610
69,780
108,211
294,093
Source: Gartner (April 2011)

With the migration of Blackberry devices to QNX – the OS used on the Blackberry PlayBook - in 2012, RIM will be able to offer users a consistent experience across its whole product portfolio and create a single developer community. While QNX is a strong platform that delivers on performance, graphics and multitasking features, Gartner analysts said success in the media tablet market will be driven by richness of ecosystem.

“It will take time and significant effort for RIM to attract developers and deliver a compelling ecosystem of applications and services around QNX to position it as a viable alternative to Apple or Android. This will limit RIM’s market share growth over the forecast period,” Ms. Milanesi said. “It will be mainly organizations that will be interested in RIM’s tablets because they either already have RIM’s infrastructure deployed or have stringent security requirements.”

Gartner analysts said platforms such as MeeGo and WebOS, which currently have a weak presence in the smartphone market, will have a limited appeal unless they can grow that business.

“Smartphone users will want to buy a tablet that runs the same operating system as their smartphone. This is so that they can share applications across devices as well as for the sense of familiarity the user interfaces will bring,” Ms. Milanesi said. “Vendors developing on Android should be prepared to see more cross brand ownership as some users might put OS over brand when it comes to the purchasing decision. Improvements on usability and brand recognition are the strongest differentiators they can focus on.”

A media tablet is a device based on a touchscreen display (typically with a multitouch interface) whose primary focus is the consumption of media. The devices have screens with a diagonal dimension that is over 5 inches and may include screens that are as large as is practical for handheld use, roughly up to 15 inches. The media tablet runs a lightweight OS such as Android and iOS that is more limited than, or a subset of, the traditional fully featured OS such as Windows.

Gartner’s detailed forecast is available in the report “Forecast: Media Tablets by Open Operating System, Worldwide, 2008-2015.” The report is available on Gartner's website at http://www.gartner.com/resId=1624614.
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Old 07-10-2011, 08:45 PM   #1654
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Thats nice. I'll still own a Android tablet.
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Old 07-10-2011, 08:58 PM   #1655
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Actually... you are dead wrong... Honeycomb ANNIHILATES iOS in the tablet space...

Do you know why there are so many more "tablet specific" iOS apps? because Android doesn't need an app to be tablet specific.. most "phone" apps flawlessly scale up to the size of the tablet.

If you HONESTLY believe iOS is a better tablet os, you are delusional or completely ignorant of how much better Android is... although even I will admit that it looks like WebOS kills all of them. I have a feeling Ice Cream will leapfrog WebOS though.
Yes, it's pretty obvious why there are so many iOS apps for functionality. It's because that's exactly the type of OS framework Apple was shooting for. It's much easier for them to support, as they don't write most of the apps that run on the device. The basic functionality of the OS is very simple and easy to manage. Yet they have complete control over the environment, as their app approval process is strict and emphasizes usability first and foremost. In making app developers completely conform to their system, instead of the other way around, they have an ideal setup. Not to mention that it's insanely profitable for them. They can charge much more for lesser specifications, and still guarantee the smoothest and most consistent tablet OS for the general user. It's the perfect setup for the idiot consumerist.

It's been clear throughout this thread that you don't agree with the "App per function" approach. I have serious reservations about many parts of it myself, which is why I support the jailbreak community so heavily. But it's futile to argue with the success and current market domination of iOS. That alone is proof that built-in OS functionality isn't the final deciding factor for a tablet OS in the eyes of the majority.
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:55 PM   #1656
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But it's futile to argue with the success and current market domination of iOS. That alone is proof that built-in OS functionality isn't the final deciding factor for a tablet OS in the eyes of the majority.
It's only dominant in the TABLET space because Android has yet to have a number of cheap, quality devices on the market. As soon as they do, they will dominant in the EXACT SAME WAY that they dominate the smartphone space.

iOS is really NOT a very good tablet OS from a TECH standpoint. You can argue about "ease of use" or whatever but the fact is, it holds market share due to Apple's MARKETING prowess and for NO other legitimate reason.

This argument didn't work with PC vs MAC, it didn't work for smartphones and it won't work for tablets... In the end, the more open OS that can be installed on a variety of DIFFERENT, cheaper devices will win.

This will become MUCH more evident over the next year as hardware vendors start to take advantage of all the amazing features that are being teased with Android 3.1 like broad platform support for USB-connected peripherals.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:50 AM   #1657
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Uhhh huh....

You posted this over a year ago:

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Looks like Flash 10.1 will be built into Android 2.2 (to be released next week)

What little reports that are in, say that it runs great BUT no one mentions battery life, so I'm guessing even if it is bug free it's still probably suckin alot of energy... but won't know until next week.


Looks like a slew of Android 2.2 tablets will be hitting the market shortly... (a few in June and many more in July and August)

Not to mention the WebOS ones from HP and supposedly a Chrome one from Acer.


My best guess is that they will outperform the iPad AND offer a ton more functionality (FLASH, mobile hot spot, tethering, better ports, sd card slots, etc) BUT will have significantly less battery life.
Since you posted that... Apple has sold 23 million iPads. Check THIS if you don't believe me. And yet today you're still saying these Android tablets are just about on the market, and once they do....

You spent the first year of this thread arguing about Flash support, and then Honeycomb was released and didn't have Flash for quite a while. The Xoom came out with no Flash support. The one feature you made out to be the binding force of the internet universe.

These Android tablets have been very flawed for quite some time. It's been 14 months and 23 million iPads later, and you're still saying the same things.
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Uhhh huh....

You posted this over a year ago:



Since you posted that... Apple has sold 23 million iPads. Check THIS if you don't believe me. And yet today you're still saying these Android tablets are just about on the market, and once they do....

You spent the first year of this thread arguing about Flash support, and then Honeycomb was released and didn't have Flash for quite a while. The Xoom came out with no Flash support. The one feature you made out to be the binding force of the internet universe.

These Android tablets have been very flawed for quite some time. It's been 14 months and 23 million iPads later, and you're still saying the same things.
I will completely agree that I overshot the mark by expecting better hardware to come out for Android... they failed to live up to expectations. NOW the hardware has caught up and surpassed iPads but they aren't priced to move yet. We'll see the cheap tablets this fall and then we SHOULD see the cheap and far superior tablets next year.

I stand by my feelings on FLASH. It's annoying that it's missing and seriously limits the iPad's usefulness.

Lastly, 23 million iPads sounds like such a huge number... but in reality.. it's only big compared to the anemic Android sales so far. The vast majority of the tablet market is still waiting for the price to drop. The only way Apple will be able to keep up is to match the price drops.. something they have been awful at in the past.

So, in short.. I was wrong on ONE thing.. timing... I expected Android to move much faster in it's takeover of the tablet market... it's only a matter of time before it does happen.
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Actually... you are dead wrong... Honeycomb ANNIHILATES iOS in the tablet space...

Do you know why there are so many more "tablet specific" iOS apps? because Android doesn't need an app to be tablet specific.. most "phone" apps flawlessly scale up to the size of the tablet.

If you HONESTLY believe iOS is a better tablet os, you are delusional or completely ignorant of how much better Android is... although even I will admit that it looks like WebOS kills all of them. I have a feeling Ice Cream will leapfrog WebOS though.
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What it boils down to is cost. apple isn't going to lower their price so Android is the best option.
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:29 PM   #1661
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What it boils down to is cost. apple isn't going to lower their price so Android is the best option.
That's like saying BMW isn't going to lower their prices, so Kia is the best option.

It's also entirely false; original iPads are hundreds of dollars cheaper than when they came out. When the iPad HD comes out, the iPad 2's price will see a similar fall.

Can I just say this though? Both are excellent products. iOS v Android is nothing but personal preference, and both platforms do 99% of what the general population wants. I've heard developers say that the standardization of Apple makes things far easier to deal with than Android with a multitude of configurations to account for, but frankly, I don't give a damn about developers. Just make sure Vegas Hotel and Penultimate don't crash, and I'm good; I really am.

If Google really want to beat Apple at something, they should focus on inventing something new. Start the arms race to a functioning Holodeck. But the iPhone is still the single best-selling phone in the world, and they've built up so much brand loyalty, it's going to be very difficult for tablet sales to be stilted towards anything but iPad.

At the end of the day, the best thing both platforms do is function to make each other better.
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That's like saying BMW isn't going to lower their prices, so Kia is the best option.

It's also entirely false; original iPads are hundreds of dollars cheaper than when they came out. When the iPad HD comes out, the iPad 2's price will see a similar fall.

Can I just say this though? Both are excellent products. iOS v Android is nothing but personal preference, and both platforms do 99% of what the general population wants. I've heard developers say that the standardization of Apple makes things far easier to deal with than Android with a multitude of configurations to account for, but frankly, I don't give a damn about developers. Just make sure Vegas Hotel and Penultimate don't crash, and I'm good; I really am.

If Google really want to beat Apple at something, they should focus on inventing something new. Start the arms race to a functioning Holodeck. But the iPhone is still the single best-selling phone in the world, and they've built up so much brand loyalty, it's going to be very difficult for tablet sales to be stilted towards anything but iPad.

At the end of the day, the best thing both platforms do is function to make each other better.
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That's like saying BMW isn't going to lower their prices, so Kia is the best option.

It's also entirely false; original iPads are hundreds of dollars cheaper than when they came out. When the iPad HD comes out, the iPad 2's price will see a similar fall.

Can I just say this though? Both are excellent products. iOS v Android is nothing but personal preference, and both platforms do 99% of what the general population wants. I've heard developers say that the standardization of Apple makes things far easier to deal with than Android with a multitude of configurations to account for, but frankly, I don't give a damn about developers. Just make sure Vegas Hotel and Penultimate don't crash, and I'm good; I really am.

If Google really want to beat Apple at something, they should focus on inventing something new. Start the arms race to a functioning Holodeck. But the iPhone is still the single best-selling phone in the world, and they've built up so much brand loyalty, it's going to be very difficult for tablet sales to be stilted towards anything but iPad.

At the end of the day, the best thing both platforms do is function to make each other better.
Thats a good and fair post. For me, surprise surprise, it comes down to bottom dollar. Which gives me the most bang for the buck. As much as I would like to have an iPad, the lack of flash for web browsing really kills it. I want a fully functional web browser on my tablet and Android definitely gives me that.

Just my personal preference.

EDIT - I seem to remember the original iPad starting at $499 just like it is now though.
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I don't have a tablet, but I do have an Android phone and a current gen iPod touch. I like the customization abilities of Android, but the iPod is not nearly as glitchy as my phone is.

I agree it comes to personal preference. If you like one buy it. I don't understand the hate for either/or, it's hilarious to watch.

I swear Android tablets are the best selling vaporware of all time around here.
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This whole Apple Vs. Android thing is laughable. Its like arguing whos better Ford or Chevy?

They are both good products so what it comes down to is personal preference. Quit worrying about what your neighbor is buying and buy whatever makes you happy.

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