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Old 01-27-2010, 11:12 AM  
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Old 04-17-2010, 02:27 PM   #541
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Old 04-17-2010, 02:28 PM   #542
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is this you still being antagonistic about the adobe issue?
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Old 04-17-2010, 02:30 PM   #543
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is this you still being antagonistic about the adobe issue?
Which adobe issue? There's the general issue of flash dying and then there's the related but really a tangent issue of apple v adobe.
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Old 04-17-2010, 02:59 PM   #544
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This is a perfect example of what I said with HTML5 adoption rates... yes, companies like google will try to push the technology forward... BUT it will take a looong time for it to be deployed in a fully useful way... in this example, drag and drop in gmail only works for users of Chrome or Firefox 4.6..

HTML5 is the future... but the future isn't here yet... I'll wait and buy devices that only become fully functional in the future...in the future.
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Old 04-17-2010, 10:40 PM   #545
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This is a perfect example of what I said with HTML5 adoption rates... yes, companies like google will try to push the technology forward... BUT it will take a looong time for it to be deployed in a fully useful way... in this example, drag and drop in gmail only works for users of Chrome or Firefox 4.6..

HTML5 is the future... but the future isn't here yet... I'll wait and buy devices that only become fully functional in the future...in the future.
You honestly think the next webkit nightly won't support this?
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Old 04-18-2010, 04:37 PM   #546
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You honestly think the next webkit nightly won't support this?
you don't get how this works.

Chrome is based on Webkit.. Safari is based on Webkit... yet it works in Chrome and not Safari...

Do you know why?

This is not as simple as you like to think... it WILL happen... but it WILL take time, lots of it. I have watched these things evolve over the last 17 years...
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:44 PM   #547
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you don't get how this works.

Chrome is based on Webkit.. Safari is based on Webkit... yet it works in Chrome and not Safari...

Do you know why?

This is not as simple as you like to think... it WILL happen... but it WILL take time, lots of it. I have watched these things evolve over the last 17 years...
You're right, I should have said nightly Safari. Same difference.

I'm still going to side with the fact you're short selling HTML 5's adoption rate.
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:39 PM   #548
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You're right, I should have said nightly Safari. Same difference.

I'm still going to side with the fact you're short selling HTML 5's adoption rate.
The problem is that since webkit doesn't support drag and drop... Chrome had to put in their own implentation... Safari will likely do the same.. at which point Google will need to go back and program in support for Safari (since none of it is standardized yet)

So, let's assume Safari's developers get cracking and next month release an update that supports drag/drop. That will then need to go to Google's developers for them to add gmail drag/drop Safari-style support... so let's add another month...

..and this is just ONE feature/aspect of HTML5... I stated 2 weeks ago that it will be 12-18 months (at best) before html5 sees enough adoption to matter... so I will revise it to 12-18 months minus 2 weeks...
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Old 04-18-2010, 08:00 PM   #549
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I stated 2 weeks ago that it will be 12-18 months (at best) before html5 sees enough adoption to matter... so I will revise it to 12-18 months minus 2 weeks...
Maybe it's just me, but that just doesn't seem like that long.
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Old 04-18-2010, 08:10 PM   #550
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Maybe it's just me, but that just doesn't seem like that long.
it really isn't .. except the point of me even bringing it up was that I wouldn't want a tablet that relies on HTML5 for web video and other functionality if I have to wait 12-18 months for it to kick in... at which point prices and technology will have rendered my tablet nearly obsolete.

If I needed the tablet primarily for reading not surfing then I wouldn't care really...
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:12 PM   #551
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The problem is that since webkit doesn't support drag and drop... Chrome had to put in their own implentation... Safari will likely do the same.. at which point Google will need to go back and program in support for Safari (since none of it is standardized yet)

So, let's assume Safari's developers get cracking and next month release an update that supports drag/drop. That will then need to go to Google's developers for them to add gmail drag/drop Safari-style support... so let's add another month...

..and this is just ONE feature/aspect of HTML5... I stated 2 weeks ago that it will be 12-18 months (at best) before html5 sees enough adoption to matter... so I will revise it to 12-18 months minus 2 weeks...
Or, alternatively, Webkit will co-opt Chrome's use and go with it.

You're doing just as much assuming as you accuse me of doing.
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Or, alternatively, Webkit will co-opt Chrome's use and go with it.

You're doing just as much assuming as you accuse me of doing.
again, it's simply not that easy. I do this for a living, it is massively more complicated than it would appear it needs to be. I wish it wasn't, I'd rather be wrong than wait over a year for the new tech... but I'm willing to bet I'm not.
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again, it's simply not that easy. I do this for a living, it is massively more complicated than it would appear it needs to be. I wish it wasn't, I'd rather be wrong than wait over a year for the new tech... but I'm willing to bet I'm not.
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