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Old 01-27-2010, 12:12 PM  
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Old 05-03-2010, 09:54 PM   #661
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So, what exactly is your point? By that logic, flash videos aren't okay because they are embedded. Just a link to a flv.

Still, it really does nothing to my points. The iPad can play the video. Neither HTML5 nor Flash was used.

In fact, what point are you trying to make? I could make it more complicated by introducing some JS to pull the video into a complicated div structure with caption and what not, similar to what NYT does (FYI, NYT's site as far as I can tell from their DOCTYPE is not HTML5 but HTML4.). But it's the same concept.
oh lord... you really aren't this uninformed, right?

MY POINT IS THAT NO REAL WEBSITE WOULD USE THAT METHOD... IT WAS DEPRECATED FOR GOOD REASON YEARS AGO.

The NYT uses html5 when it encounters an iPad (probably same for iphone, I didn't bother to look)... obviously you don't know that different sites can be served to different clients...

If you are on an iPad... you probably won't see what follows next...

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Old 05-03-2010, 10:02 PM   #662
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oh lord... you really aren't this uninformed, right?

MY POINT IS THAT NO REAL WEBSITE WOULD USE THAT METHOD... IT WAS DEPRECATED FOR GOOD REASON YEARS AGO.

The NYT uses html5 when it encounters an iPad (probably same for iphone, I didn't bother to look)... obviously you don't know that different sites can be served to different clients...

If you are on an iPad... you probably won't see what follows next...

I can see it just fine on my iPhone. Ironic choice of video clips.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:05 PM   #663
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oh lord... you really aren't this uninformed, right?

MY POINT IS THAT NO REAL WEBSITE WOULD USE THAT METHOD... IT WAS DEPRECATED FOR GOOD REASON YEARS AGO.

The NYT uses html5 when it encounters an iPad (probably same for iphone, I didn't bother to look)... obviously you don't know that different sites can be served to different clients...

If you are on an iPad... you probably won't see what follows next...

I see it just fine on my iPad...
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:07 PM   #664
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I can see it just fine on my iPhone. Ironic choice of video clips.
HA, which is why I said probably.. youtube is smarter than I thought and compensates... does it play inline or in a youtube app that launches?

either way, the point of the clip was what it said not to demonstrate anything.. youtube is one of the few exceptions to the whole debate since I admit that they and a few others with the resources have implemented html5
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:08 PM   #665
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I see it just fine on my iPad...
Good, you can answer a question I have on youtube embeded implementation on the iPad ... does it play inline on your ipad or in a youtube app?

It's one of the few things I have been wondering.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:12 PM   #666
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Good, you can answer a question I have on youtube embeded implementation on the iPad ... does it play inline on your ipad or in a youtube app?

It's one of the few things I have been wondering.
nevermind.. found the answer... special code and app for youtube built into os. So same old same old.

I actually know he isn't using an ipad so it was just a meaningless jab. You can answer another question for me, what do you see on kcchiefs.com (besides a shitty team) I know what you should see, but I want to know if they are stone age or middle age in their tech at the moment.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:37 PM   #667
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HA, which is why I said probably.. youtube is smarter than I thought and compensates... does it play inline or in a youtube app that launches?

either way, the point of the clip was what it said not to demonstrate anything.. youtube is one of the few exceptions to the whole debate since I admit that they and a few others with the resources have implemented html5
It plays it inline.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:52 PM   #668
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It plays it inline.
well they got that part right! Unfortunately it appears that is a special bit of code built directly into the OS just for YouTube.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:57 PM   #669
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Are you guys STILL arguing about this?
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:02 PM   #670
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Megavideo- only flash
Vureel- only flash
KCCHIEFS- only flash
KCRoyals- only flash
NFL- only flash
FC Barcelona - only flash

MLB - need app $15
ESPN - need app $5
NBA - need app $3
NHL - need app (price yet to be determined)
ABC - need app (free for now)
Hulu - need app (not yet built, price tbd)

YouTube - works fine
ChiefsPlanet - fine
CNN - fine
Google- fine

CBS Sportsline - no clue how well it works in ipad, I'll assume fine

So far those are all sites I have gone to in the last 4 hours...

5 work fine with an ipad, 6 require an app, and 6 don't work at all.

Over the course of a month I would probably end up collecting 20 or 30 apps at this rate... can everyone see how that method of delivery could become one hell of a cluster**** very quickly.

I will concede that the ipad is JUST FINE for those who have extremely limited web usage and don't mind jumping thru a few hoops... I am not one of those people.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:06 PM   #671
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Are you guys STILL arguing about this?
I think I pretty much ended the argument when IJ posted a direct link to a video and then bolded in super big letters that "Oh, look, it plays on iPod touch and iPad. Oh, look, it's not HTML5 nor is it flash. Oh, look, it's NOT A DIRECT LINK."


Now in all fairness, I made a slight on ipad about a youtube embed before looking up the info that Apple very cleverly worked around that problem (just for youtube) by putting a specific hook into the OS...

Although my slight was not meant to be on topic, I certainly didn't look very clever by adding it...
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:21 PM   #672
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:30 PM   #673
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well they got that part right! Unfortunately it appears that is a special bit of code built directly into the OS just for YouTube.
It's not just YouTube. It does it with all video files that the iPad/pod is capable of playing.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:31 PM   #674
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Megavideo- only flash
Vureel- only flash
KCCHIEFS- only flash
KCRoyals- only flash
NFL- only flash
FC Barcelona - only flash

MLB - need app $15
ESPN - need app $5
NBA - need app $3
NHL - need app (price yet to be determined)
ABC - need app (free for now)
Hulu - need app (not yet built, price tbd)

YouTube - works fine
ChiefsPlanet - fine
CNN - fine
Google- fine

CBS Sportsline - no clue how well it works in ipad, I'll assume fine

So far those are all sites I have gone to in the last 4 hours...

5 work fine with an ipad, 6 require an app, and 6 don't work at all.

Over the course of a month I would probably end up collecting 20 or 30 apps at this rate... can everyone see how that method of delivery could become one hell of a cluster**** very quickly.

I will concede that the ipad is JUST FINE for those who have extremely limited web usage and don't mind jumping thru a few hoops... I am not one of those people.
Just as an aside, you don't need to buy the ESPN app to browse the site on an iPad. It plays all the videos and such just fine, along with the gamecast stuff.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:42 PM   #675
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Just as an aside, you don't need to buy the ESPN app to browse the site on an iPad. It plays all the videos and such just fine, along with the gamecast stuff.
Really? I knew they had an app didn't realize they started site conversion as well.

Change those stats to 6-5-6 then...

BUT doesn't much change my point... as a matter of fact just missing megavideo would kill me... that is where I watch most of my videos, youtube is fine for a few funny clips or a quick music video but not terribly useful for much else for me... hulu is annoying and poorly programmed (although I will use it from time to time)... but megavideo, individual sports team pages and sites like justin.tv for live streams are most of mine if I had to guess
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