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Old 03-14-2011, 02:22 PM   #1186
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Fair play... It looks 'interesting'. It also looks really frickin gimmicky. All those moving parts in a field that's supposed to not have them. And anyone who'd rather spend 500 bucks on that over an iPad really isn't paying attention to product quality...
Or that want a device that can do more than surf the web and play Angry Birds...

I am not going to get into the Win7 vs iPad/Android tablet debate... right NOW it's an apples and oranges deal... totally different space...

I just posted that because it is actually a really cool device for $500.. and you asked for an example of one... to compete as a true tablet it would need to be thinner and have better battery life.. (and play Angry Birds)
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:27 PM   #1187
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381389,00.asp

Basically states that we are headed toward $49 tablets at some point... you wanna bet that Apple isn't the one selling ANYTHING that cheap?

I think he is exaggerating to make a point.. but I really do see $150-$200 tablets in the near future... and they will likely have all the power of an iPad but manufactured by an Asus or an Acer. And they will make plenty of profit, trust me.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:29 PM   #1188
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HAHAHAHA... yes Apple has economies of scale in a market where NO ONE else was using touch screens, their ARM chip, etc etc... when you have 30 manufacturers using Nvidia Tegra 3 chips, XXX brand touch screens, etc etc the prices drop across the board.

That is a ridiculously short sighted argument that I have seen bandied about by writers for financial trades who obviously don't understand the industry.

Yes, it would be a valid point if each manufacturer made a proprietary device like the iPad.. but they won't be.. they will all be sharing the same components .. giving them a huge advantage once enough of them get in the game. (this fall)
Your argument is valid to a point, but the fact that Apple essentially invented the tablet marketplace and developed the tech first gives them a huge advantage as far as buyer trust goes. Sure, all the techies can argue back and forth about the merits of the Xoom vs the iPad or the Blackberry whateverthe****itscalled, but your average person who just wants another cool toy is going to want an iPad.

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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381389,00.asp

Basically states that we are headed toward $49 tablets at some point... you wanna bet that Apple isn't the one selling ANYTHING that cheap?

I think he is exaggerating to make a point.. but I really do see $150-$200 tablets in the near future... and they will likely have all the power of an iPad but manufactured by an Asus or an Acer. And they will make plenty of profit, trust me.
Maybe it'll change, but there's a thousand cheaper mp3 players out there that haven't stopped the iPod from having 90% of hard-drive mp3 player sales, and 70% of the total market. Know anybody with a Zune?

Regardless of your opinions on Apple, the general consensus among the masses is that they make quality products. You pay more for quality, and people have accepted that with regard to Apple. Their laptops still aren't competitively priced with similar-spec'd PC laptops, but I don't see the company hurting for money. They've set themselves up for a very secure long-term future, they need to have an absolutely disastrous screwup to damage the public trust at this point.

*Reference for the market share info: http://bindapple.com/how-many-ipods-...old-worldwide/
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:33 PM   #1189
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:34 PM   #1190
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Fair play... It looks 'interesting'. It also looks really frickin gimmicky. All those moving parts in a field that's supposed to not have them. And anyone who'd rather spend 500 bucks on that over an iPad really isn't paying attention to product quality...
Cool. More fanboy smugness.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:35 PM   #1191
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Cool. More fanboy smugness.
If it comes down to being smug or bitching that the iPad doesn't have a CD drive... I'll take smug.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:38 PM   #1192
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Maybe it'll change, but there's a thousand cheaper mp3 players out there that haven't stopped the iPod from having 90% of hard-drive mp3 player sales, and 70% of the total market. Know anybody with a Zune?

*Reference for the market share info: http://bindapple.com/how-many-ipods-...old-worldwide/
The MP3 player market is a unique one.. it was always a toy/gadget.. if tablets STAY in that space then sure Apple can continue to dominate... but we all know that won't be the case. I could also argue that Apple does NOT hold the market share on MP3 players... take the number of iPods+iPhones and compare that to the number of non-Apple phones with MP3 players built in... wanna bet which number is larger? As I stated a few pages back... the only dedicated MP3 players that will survive are the teeny tiny workout versions... hell, look at the massive dropoff in iPod sales recently... anyway, my point being that that was a niche that the big players stayed(mostly) out of until Microsoft (not even a hardware manufacturer) made a big push FAR FAR FAR too late.

ok, back to the actually topic...
Tablet's are NOT mp3 players and unlike iPods... the BIG BOYS are jumping in the water this year... you want a more accurate analogy? Apple dominated PC sales at one point too... then the IBM clones came onto the market and almost wiped Apple off the map entirely. That won't happen here, in my opinion, they will hold onto a solid 15-20% share.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:39 PM   #1193
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381389,00.asp

Basically states that we are headed toward $49 tablets at some point... you wanna bet that Apple isn't the one selling ANYTHING that cheap?

I think he is exaggerating to make a point.. but I really do see $150-$200 tablets in the near future... and they will likely have all the power of an iPad but manufactured by an Asus or an Acer. And they will make plenty of profit, trust me.
That article was amazingly uninformative long-range speculation.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:40 PM   #1194
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Your argument is valid to a point, but the fact that Apple essentially invented the tablet marketplace and developed the tech first gives them a huge advantage as far as buyer trust goes. Sure, all the techies can argue back and forth about the merits of the Xoom vs the iPad or the Blackberry whateverthe****itscalled, but your average person who just wants another cool toy is going to want an iPad.
NO, read Dvorak's article.. that's simply not true... your average Apple person with discretionary cash will want an iPad... but the TRULY average user wants a $200 tablet and that's going to NOT be an Apple product.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:44 PM   #1195
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That article was amazingly uninformative long-range speculation.
Did you want specs on shared component costs? I can actually dig that up but damn man... too much work for a stupid internet discussion!

Trust me, Asus and Acer will soon be making cheap tablets and making a profit on them. The hardware may not "feel" as solid (or have as much battery life) but it will perform better and have a better OS and that is all the "average" consumer will care about when it's priced at 50% of an iPad.

oh and "speculation" from Dvorak usually ends up as fact.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:52 PM   #1196
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If it comes down to being smug or bitching that the iPad doesn't have a CD drive... I'll take smug.
Who's bitching? I have no use for a tablet. I dont care.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:55 PM   #1197
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NO, read Dvorak's article.. that's simply not true... your average Apple person with discretionary cash will want an iPad... but the TRULY average user wants a $200 tablet and that's going to NOT be an Apple product.
This x 1000. While I have no use for one, I'd like to have one. If I could buy one for $200, I would. Even if it's an iPad.
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Did you want specs on shared component costs? I can actually dig that up but damn man... too much work for a stupid internet discussion!

Trust me, Asus and Acer will soon be making cheap tablets and making a profit on them. The hardware may not "feel" as solid (or have as much battery life) but it will perform better and have a better OS and that is all the "average" consumer will care about when it's priced at 50% of an iPad.

oh and "speculation" from Dvorak usually ends up as fact.
Are you really touting Dvorak as a sage on the future of the tablet market?* Choice quotes:

"First of all there is no stylus. And while that is fine for the iPod Touch, people expect to be able to draw on a pad computer in high resolution"

"Give it a handle. Why not?"

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2358684,00.asp

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/app...ary-2010-01-29

*Granted, he had a ton of company misreading the iPad.
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Here's a solid market comparison.

Competition is good. But with the iPad being so solid out of the gate and Apple's marketing machine firing on all cylinders, even if you equal Apple on the specs and features front, if you can't beat it on price--by a significant margin--you're in trouble. Tie goes to the incumbent here. And the winner right now is Apple.

Alas, the tablet space isn't the PC space, where Windows still holds a dominant position and PC makers can undercut Apple with lower-priced machines. As it stands, Apple's the dominant player in the nascent tablet space, and it's been able to strike market-leader deals on parts, which has made it very difficult for others to compete.

Nor is this the smartphone space, where carrier choice remains a big factor and more-affordable Android models with impressive features and designs have become very capable alternatives to the iPhone. Also, the BlackBerry remains strong, and there's more differentiation in the smartphone arena, especially when you consider how many people prefer physical keyboards instead of the virtual-only option found on the iPhone.

A tablet, however, is basically a tablet. Maybe there's some potential for a laptop/slate hybrid, but the reality is that the tablet is what it is: a slab with a touch screen, the thinner and lighter the better.

In fact, at this moment in time, the tablet market appears to have more in common with the MP3 player market. You remember that story? The iPod came along and quickly took a big chunk of the market. Sony was too worried about DRM issues to counter with anything. And others, like Creative Labs, offered compelling alternatives, but Creative couldn't outprice or out-market Apple. Microsoft gave it shot with the Zune, and even though the Zune HD was a really nice product, it wasn't better than the iPod Touch--and it wasn't any more affordable.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7...#ixzz1GbatUMnZ
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Here's a solid market comparison.

Competition is good. But with the iPad being so solid out of the gate and Apple's marketing machine firing on all cylinders, even if you equal Apple on the specs and features front, if you can't beat it on price--by a significant margin--you're in trouble. Tie goes to the incumbent here. And the winner right now is Apple.

Alas, the tablet space isn't the PC space, where Windows still holds a dominant position and PC makers can undercut Apple with lower-priced machines. As it stands, Apple's the dominant player in the nascent tablet space, and it's been able to strike market-leader deals on parts, which has made it very difficult for others to compete.

Nor is this the smartphone space, where carrier choice remains a big factor and more-affordable Android models with impressive features and designs have become very capable alternatives to the iPhone. Also, the BlackBerry remains strong, and there's more differentiation in the smartphone arena, especially when you consider how many people prefer physical keyboards instead of the virtual-only option found on the iPhone.

A tablet, however, is basically a tablet. Maybe there's some potential for a laptop/slate hybrid, but the reality is that the tablet is what it is: a slab with a touch screen, the thinner and lighter the better.

In fact, at this moment in time, the tablet market appears to have more in common with the MP3 player market. You remember that story? The iPod came along and quickly took a big chunk of the market. Sony was too worried about DRM issues to counter with anything. And others, like Creative Labs, offered compelling alternatives, but Creative couldn't outprice or out-market Apple. Microsoft gave it shot with the Zune, and even though the Zune HD was a really nice product, it wasn't better than the iPod Touch--and it wasn't any more affordable.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7...#ixzz1GbatUMnZ
So wrong it's funny... tablets are not MP3 players... ok, actually they ARE right now.. a useful toy... but that is NOT the future. And more importantly none of the big manufacturers ever made any serious push to make MP3 players... it was a niche that had a too short of a window. MP3 players did not eat away at their sales... tablets eventually WILL and because of that, they are jumping in now.

Let's look at the ridiculous "Apple can get parts cheaper" argument... Do you honestly think an A5 will be cheaper than a Tegra2 (Tegra3 in the fall)? RIGHT NOW... the component cost of a Xoom and an iPad2 is almost identical. The iPad2's component cost will drop but not nearly as quickly as the Xoom's will.. mostly because more and more manufacturers will be using the same base components.

We are both "guessing" what the future holds... I am willing to BET that I am right on this...

If there is a $250 tablet with the same specs as the iPad3 out at this time next year... where do you think the market is headed? Do you think Apple will (or even CAN) match those prices?
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