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Old 02-02-2010, 04:10 PM  
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bipartisan deficit commission. What happened?

I thought this was a Republican idea. Sponsored by 7 Republicancs. Dems get behind it and Obama signs on, its a done deal. Niow I hear that the 7 Republicans who sponsored the bill pulled their support for their own bill. My question is why? Anyone got an answer?
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Old 02-02-2010, 05:01 PM   #2
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When you say "bipartisan commission", do you mean the 10 democrat, 8 Republican idea of the President's? The one that also requires the Senate to agree to the tax-raising tool called "paygo"?

Do you still have a question about why Republicans would oppose such a commission?
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Old 02-02-2010, 05:02 PM   #3
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Would the President and Congressional democrats agree to a bipartisan commission made up of 10 Republicans and 8 democrats with a binding rule that requires spending decreases to offset any spending increases or tax cuts?
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Old 02-02-2010, 05:03 PM   #4
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When you say "bipartisan commission", do you mean the 10 democrat, 8 Republican idea of the President's? The one that also requires the Senate to agree to the tax-raising tool called "paygo"?

Do you still have a question about why Republicans would oppose such a commission?
Democrats ARE the majority. It should be 12-8. 10-8 is a concession.
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Old 02-02-2010, 05:24 PM   #5
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That 2010 budget B.O. laid out sure is tackling the deficit.
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Old 02-02-2010, 05:27 PM   #6
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When you say "bipartisan commission", do you mean the 10 democrat, 8 Republican idea of the President's? The one that also requires the Senate to agree to the tax-raising tool called "paygo"?

Do you still have a question about why Republicans would oppose such a commission?
Why did they sponsor the bill?
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Old 02-02-2010, 06:02 PM   #7
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Democrats ARE the majority. It should be 12-8. 10-8 is a concession.
Sorrym I disagree. In Comittees, yes. In special commissions, no. It should be even on both sides.
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Old 02-02-2010, 06:15 PM   #8
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He cut funding to abstinence programs also. Mister programs sure has an interesting way to choosing how to "lower" the budget.
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Old 02-02-2010, 06:28 PM   #9
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Sorrym I disagree. In Comittees, yes. In special commissions, no. It should be even on both sides.
Of the 18 panel members, 10 would be Democrats, including two from the administration, and eight would be Republicans. To encourage bipartisan support for the recommendations, 14 of the 18 members must agree to them. The measure has 27 cosponsors, including 12 Democrats and 15 Republicans.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1209/120909cdpm2.htm
The Administration's representatives are going to be Democrats - no two ways around that. The Congressional representatives were to be evenly split.

This was a red herring thrown out by patteau.

Also, it was the brainchild of Kent Conrad and Judd Gregg - not Obama; he just supports it. Another red herring.

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When you say "bipartisan commission", do you mean the 10 democrat, 8 Republican idea of the President's?

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Old 02-02-2010, 06:48 PM   #10
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Democrats ARE the majority. It should be 12-8. 10-8 is a concession.
Can't stop playing politics, huh? If you and the democrats insist on trying to gain partisan advantage then you can go ahead and try to force it through just like anything else.
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The measure has 27 cosponsors, including 12 Democrats and 15 Republicans.
Most of the cosponsors were Republicans.

You're the one playing politics. This was as bipartisan as any Congress/Executive Commission could ever get.

Please post ANYTHING by ANY Senator suggesting they voted against this because it wasn't bipartisan enough.

Until then, I repeat - this was a red herring thrown out by patteau.


David Broder - "Conrad told me the names of six Republicans who had once supported the bill but ended by voting no. Gregg, in a separate interview, confirmed the list, saying, “We couldn’t hold them against the pressure.”

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/ja...-deficit-bill/

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Old 02-02-2010, 07:01 PM   #12
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Why did they sponsor the bill?
They didn't. This is a democrat formulation. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the subtlety escapes you since you seem to be oblivious to the dramatic difference between uncomfortably high Bush deficits and monumentally high, security-threatening, next-generation-devastating Obama deficits.

Just as order-of-magnitude is important when evalating different deficits, details are important when comparing commission proposals.
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They didn't. This is a democrat formulation.
BS. MOST of the cosponsors were REPUBLICANS. See above.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi remained adamantly opposed, right up to the end.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/ja...-deficit-bill/




Sen. George V. Voinovich just might have said something that got President Barack Obama's attention last week when the Ohio Republican urged the president to push for a congressionally approved, bipartisan deficit-busting commission armed with real legislative teeth.

A vote is expected as early as today on the proposal long advocated by Voinovich and adopted in legislative form in December by the top members of the Senate Budget Committee: Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and ranking minority member Judd Gregg, R-N.H.

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live...litics&sid=101



Why do you keep giving air to that lie?
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The entire thing fell apart for the simple reason it was and is a totally Bogus idea.
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Most of the cosponsors were Republicans.

You're the one playing politics. This was as bipartisan as any Congress/Executive Commission could ever get.

Please post ANYTHING by ANY Senator suggesting they voted against this because it wasn't bipartisan enough.

Until then, I repeat - this was a red herring thrown out by patteau.


David Broder - "Conrad told me the names of six ROepublicans who had once supported the bill but ended by voting no. Gregg, in a separate interview, confirmed the list, saying, “We couldn’t hold them against the pressure.”

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/ja...-deficit-bill/
No, bipartisan as it could get would be equal numbers of representatives with each side selecting their own. No Republican selected by the POTUS counts as a Republican by my calculation either. Let me know when you're willing to set aside politics and focus on addressing the nation's financial problems.
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