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Old 02-09-2010, 10:57 AM  
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Excellent approach suggested by Republican Leadership

GOP Leadership's Response to Health Care Summit Invite
http://patriotroom.com/article/gop-l...-summit-invite

This is excellent. Obama isn't going to get his dog and pony show at the GOP's expense. Start over or take a walk.


Mr. Emanuel:

We welcome President Obama?s announcement of forthcoming bipartisan health care talks. In fact, you may remember that last May, Republicans asked President Obama to hold bipartisan discussions on health care in an attempt to find common ground on health care, but he declined and instead chose to work with only Democrats. Since then, the President has given dozens of speeches on health care reform, operating under the premise that the more the American people learn about his plan, the more they will come to like it. Just the opposite has occurred: a majority of Americans oppose the House and Senate health care bills and want them scrapped so we can start over with a step-by-step approach focused on lowering costs for families and small businesses.
Just as important, scrapping the House and Senate health care bills would help end the uncertainty they are creating for workers and businesses and thus strengthen our shared commitment to focusing on creating jobs. Assuming the President is sincere about moving forward on health care in a bipartisan way, does that mean he will agree to start over so that we can develop a bill that is truly worthy of the support and confidence of the American people? Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said today that the President is ?absolutely not? resetting the legislative process for health care.

If the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate. Assuming the President is sincere about moving forward in a bipartisan way, does that mean he has taken off the table the idea of relying solely on Democratic votes and jamming through health care reform by way of reconciliation? As the President has noted recently, Democrats continue to hold large majorities in the House and Senate, which means they can attempt to pass a health care bill at any time through the reconciliation process.

Eliminating the possibility of reconciliation would represent an important show of good faith to Republicans and the American people.If the President intends to present any kind of legislative proposal at this discussion, will he make it available to members of Congress and the American people at least 72 hours beforehand? Our ability to move forward in a bipartisan way through this discussion rests on openness and transparency. Will the President include in this discussion congressional Democrats who have opposed the House and Senate health care bills? This bipartisan discussion should reflect the bipartisan opposition to both the House bill and the kickbacks and sweetheart deals in the Senate bill. Will the President be inviting officials and lawmakers from the states to participate in this discussion?

As you may know, legislation has been introduced in at least 36 state legislatures, similar to the proposal just passed by the Democratic-controlled Virginia State Senate, providing that no individual may be compelled to purchase health insurance. Additionally, governors of both parties have raised concerns about the additional costs that will be passed along to states under both the House and Senate bills. The President has also mentioned his commitment to have ?experts? participate in health care discussions.

Will the Feb. 25 discussion involve such "experts?" Will those experts include the actuaries at the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), who have determined that the both the House and Senate health care bill raise costs ? just the opposite of their intended effect ? and jeopardize seniors? access to high-quality care by imposing massive Medicare cuts? Will those experts include the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, which has stated that the GOP alternative would reduce premiums by up to 10 percent? Also, will Republicans be permitted to invite health care experts to participate? Finally, as you know, this is the first televised White House health care meeting involving the President since last March.

Many health care meetings of the closed-door variety have been held at the White House since then, including one where a sweetheart deal was worked out with union leaders. Will the special interest groups that the Obama Administration has cut deals with be included in this televised discussion? Of course, Americans have been dismayed by the fact that the President has broken his own pledge to hold televised health care talks. We can only hope this televised discussion is the beginning, not the end, of attempting to correct that mistake. Will the President require that any and all future health care discussions, including those held on Capitol Hill, meet this common-sense standard of transparency and openness?

Your answers to these critical questions will help determine whether this will be a truly open, bipartisan discussion or merely an intramural exercise before Democrats attempt to jam through a job-killing health care bill that the American people can?t afford and don?t support. ?Bipartisanship? is not writing proposals of your own behind closed doors, then unveiling them and demanding Republican support. Bipartisan ends require bipartisan means.These questions are also designed to try and make sense of the widening gap between the President?s rhetoric on bipartisanship and the reality. We cannot help but notice that each of the President?s recent bipartisan overtures has been coupled with harsh, misleading partisan attacks. For instance, the President decries Republican ?obstruction? when it was Republicans who first proposed bipartisan health care talks last May.

The President says Republicans are ?sitting on the sidelines? just days after holding up our health care alternative and reading from it word for word. The President has every right to use his bully pulpit as he sees fit, but this is the kind of credibility gap that has the American people so fed up with business as usual in Washington.We look forward to receiving your answers and continuing to discuss ways we can move forward in a bipartisan manner to address the challenges facing the American people.

Sincerely,

House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH)

House Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA)
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:14 AM   #2
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This is typical bs. Cantor stated on the record yesterday they wouldn't vote for any bill unless it was the complete Republican bill they proposed.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:18 AM   #3
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This is typical bs. Cantor stated on the record yesterday they wouldn't vote for any bill unless it was the complete Republican bill they proposed.
Wonder why that seems to not be covered by media.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:22 AM   #4
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Wonder why that seems to not be covered by media.
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After going it alone on health care reform for nearly a year, President Obama has decided he wants to bring Republicans into the conversation. Here’s the problem: unless the President and Speaker Pelosi are willing to scrap their government take over and hit the reset button, there’s not much to talk about.

Republicans believe the status quo is unacceptable, but so is any health reform package that spends money we don’t have or raises taxes on small businesses and working families in a recession. To that point, House Republicans have offered the only plan , that will lower health care costs, which is what the President said was the goal at the start of this debate.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:28 AM   #5
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This is total BS. Drop all your plans. Do all of our plans and we can talk.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:29 AM   #6
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That certainly does not say what you alluded to. If its there its well hidden. As you stated Cantor stated on the record...that would indicate somewhere he is quoted? further you said he stated he would "only support the bill republicans proposed"...and that is not what you cut and paste either.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:29 AM   #7
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This is total BS. Drop all your plans. Do all of our plans and we can talk.
It does not say that either.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:31 AM   #8
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This is total BS. Drop all your plans. Do all of our plans and we can talk.
Yes. Start from scratch. Drop all of you plans. They failed in Massachussetts. The people have spoken. You lost.

Drop your plans and start from scratch.

Yes.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:33 AM   #9
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It does not say that either.
Thats what they want. It's posturing politics. They are trying to not come off as obstrutionists while at the same time not give into anything the Dems want to happen.

They have learned their lesson. On the issues and on live TV Obama will own them again and they don't want that to happen.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:34 AM   #10
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Yes. Start from scratch. Drop all of you plans. They failed in Massachussetts. The people have spoken. You lost.

Drop your plans and start from scratch.

Yes.
Hey, pay attention. I was against every Dem and Republican proposed healthcare bill. so, drop the I lost BS. jeeezzz
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:35 AM   #11
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Hey, pay attention. I was against every Dem and Republican proposed healthcare bill. so, drop the I lost BS. jeeezzz
Then you shouldn't be opposed to scraping the plan and starting from scratch.
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Thats what they want. It's posturing politics. They are trying to not come off as obstrutionists while at the same time not give into anything the Dems want to happen.

They have learned their lesson. On the issues and on live TV Obama will own them again and they don't want that to happen.
Dude, Obama's approval ratings just hit a new low. If Obama owned them, the public at large didn't register it.
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Hey, pay attention. I was against every Dem and Republican proposed healthcare bill. so, drop the I lost BS. jeeezzz
I'm not talking about "you" specifically. I'm talking about those clinging to this plan. That isn't you is it?
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That certainly does not say what you alluded to. If its there its well hidden. As you stated Cantor stated on the record...that would indicate somewhere he is quoted? further you said he stated he would "only support the bill republicans proposed"...and that is not what you cut and paste either.
Yeah that is why he said the Republicans have the only plan Reading between the lines it is our plan or nothing

The CBO has already scored the Rep plan. It will save $61 billion dollars off the deficit and cover 3 million additional people by 2020

The CBO said the Dems plan would save $104 billion off the deficit and cover 36 million additional people.

I am not saying I like the Dem plan but he is full of shit.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:45 AM   #15
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Dirk, you read between the lines. Thats cool. But dont make up things like "Cantor said on the record"..he didnt.

You wouldnt accept any idea from the republicans if it came with gold bricks for your driveway. Perhaps you are better off in the Sarah Palin wrote on her hand thread.
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